Message from @Xinyue

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2018-12-25 04:25:53 UTC  

i can show you some quotes which can probably change your mind @Xinyue later on that is
this is why i want to have lots of beefsteak nazis lol

2018-12-25 04:26:08 UTC  

@Orwell bruh stop shilling that doc lol

2018-12-25 04:26:10 UTC  

Hitler was a faggot

2018-12-25 04:26:11 UTC  

The people were fundamentally divided in Nazi Germany. 200,000 Germans fell victim to the NSDAP (not just killed necessarily, but also including sterilisations, etc) because they couldn't live up to the fitness standards of the Nazi ideology. Further, beyond the common complaints, the labour in Third Reich was *not unalienated* - capitalists still existed, private owners of the major companies and corporations still existed and the workers were still denied their power.

2018-12-25 04:26:35 UTC  

Hitler betrayed the working class

2018-12-25 04:26:38 UTC  

YES

2018-12-25 04:26:39 UTC  

change my mind

2018-12-25 04:26:43 UTC  

Otto Strasser didn't

2018-12-25 04:27:19 UTC  

@Xinyue the state was the mediator, but, i heard that claim, but heard that was mostly during war time, not peace time

2018-12-25 04:28:01 UTC  

Only a proletarian republic of free, unalienated people that together manage the affairs of the republic in a system of public self-government, via workers councils, can be a society where the people are free, unalienated from one another, with wholesome social bonds and a bright future which they together manage side-by-side.

2018-12-25 04:28:09 UTC  

Fascism plays to this rhetoric somewhat,

2018-12-25 04:28:15 UTC  

but the promise given by Fascism is an illusion

2018-12-25 04:28:47 UTC  

are you more of a fan of falangist syndicalism

2018-12-25 04:29:00 UTC  

@Bee then its not that different from social democracy and we know that doesn't deliver the people to the world they want to live in

2018-12-25 04:29:02 UTC  

because there are more leftist types of fascism/3rd positions

2018-12-25 04:29:07 UTC  

@Bee πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

2018-12-25 04:29:14 UTC  

i'm just asking

2018-12-25 04:29:35 UTC  

3rd position is in my opinion just a signifier to cucking out to capitalism while playing up socialisty rhetoric :/ sry guys

2018-12-25 04:29:41 UTC  

Justicialism had the best economic model

2018-12-25 04:29:43 UTC  

no

2018-12-25 04:29:45 UTC  

I deny dis

2018-12-25 04:29:49 UTC  

out of all third positionist ideologies

2018-12-25 04:29:55 UTC  

M a r x i s m - L e n i n i s m

2018-12-25 04:29:57 UTC  

@Xinyue They did better than the Soviet Union, change my mind

2018-12-25 04:30:05 UTC  

but what about the falangist
hell, what about the distributists

2018-12-25 04:30:05 UTC  

[ K h r u s h c h e v i t e I d e o l o g y ]

2018-12-25 04:30:41 UTC  

Falangists....idk. They seem more lefty than most fascists

2018-12-25 04:31:00 UTC  

but I consider it insufficient because it still preserves the capitalist class! like almost every form of 3rd position does

2018-12-25 04:31:16 UTC  

right... but they are still considered fascists
fascism is expressed differently in each country its implemented in

2018-12-25 04:31:57 UTC  

3rd position emerged from the acknowledgement that capitalism *as per usual* doesn't work, doesn't work for the benefit of the people, but at the same time from the rejection of socialism and communism. It either cynically put forward the lie, or believes itself the lie, that class collaboration is possible.

2018-12-25 04:32:30 UTC  

@Xinyue it didn't reject socialism, just marxism, so i guess communism and others related

2018-12-25 04:32:37 UTC  

but syndicalism is still on the table

2018-12-25 04:32:47 UTC  

yeah franco took over

2018-12-25 04:33:31 UTC  

@Bee dude I've read the Falangist "manifesto" (21 point something-or-other?) and it still explicitly recognises the capitalist class as part of its vision, that is not socialism, in socialism there **is no capitalist class**

2018-12-25 04:34:10 UTC  

its better than the abject horror that is La Dottrina del Fascismo, but only so much

2018-12-25 04:34:14 UTC  

depends on the definition
fascism still sees international financier capitalism as a cancer

2018-12-25 04:34:20 UTC  

Embrace

2018-12-25 04:34:22 UTC  

corporate