i can show you some quotes which can probably change your mind @Xinyue later on that is
this is why i want to have lots of beefsteak nazis lol

@Orwell bruh stop shilling that doc lol

Hitler was a faggot

The people were fundamentally divided in Nazi Germany. 200,000 Germans fell victim to the NSDAP (not just killed necessarily, but also including sterilisations, etc) because they couldn't live up to the fitness standards of the Nazi ideology. Further, beyond the common complaints, the labour in Third Reich was *not unalienated* - capitalists still existed, private owners of the major companies and corporations still existed and the workers were still denied their power.

Hitler betrayed the working class

YES

change my mind

Otto Strasser didn't

@Xinyue the state was the mediator, but, i heard that claim, but heard that was mostly during war time, not peace time

Only a proletarian republic of free, unalienated people that together manage the affairs of the republic in a system of public self-government, via workers councils, can be a society where the people are free, unalienated from one another, with wholesome social bonds and a bright future which they together manage side-by-side.

Fascism plays to this rhetoric somewhat,

but the promise given by Fascism is an illusion

are you more of a fan of falangist syndicalism

@Bee then its not that different from social democracy and we know that doesn't deliver the people to the world they want to live in

because there are more leftist types of fascism/3rd positions

@Bee 🏳️‍🌈

i'm just asking

3rd position is in my opinion just a signifier to cucking out to capitalism while playing up socialisty rhetoric :/ sry guys

Justicialism had the best economic model

no

I deny dis

out of all third positionist ideologies

M a r x i s m - L e n i n i s m

@Xinyue They did better than the Soviet Union, change my mind

but what about the falangist
hell, what about the distributists

[ K h r u s h c h e v i t e I d e o l o g y ]

Falangists....idk. They seem more lefty than most fascists

but I consider it insufficient because it still preserves the capitalist class! like almost every form of 3rd position does

right... but they are still considered fascists
fascism is expressed differently in each country its implemented in

I mean, Falangism didn't existed enough to show everything it could do to Spain

3rd position emerged from the acknowledgement that capitalism *as per usual* doesn't work, doesn't work for the benefit of the people, but at the same time from the rejection of socialism and communism. It either cynically put forward the lie, or believes itself the lie, that class collaboration is possible.

@Xinyue it didn't reject socialism, just marxism, so i guess communism and others related

but syndicalism is still on the table

@𝕿𝖔𝖙𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓 𝕲𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖉𝖉𝖉𝖞 Agreed, their main historical demonstration was to become co-opted

yeah franco took over

I would liked to see the evolution of Rivera and the Falange, too bad Franco cucked it out

@Bee dude I've read the Falangist "manifesto" (21 point something-or-other?) and it still explicitly recognises the capitalist class as part of its vision, that is not socialism, in socialism there **is no capitalist class**

its better than the abject horror that is La Dottrina del Fascismo, but only so much

depends on the definition
fascism still sees international financier capitalism as a cancer

Embrace

corporate