i'm just asking

3rd position is in my opinion just a signifier to cucking out to capitalism while playing up socialisty rhetoric :/ sry guys

Justicialism had the best economic model

no

I deny dis

out of all third positionist ideologies

M a r x i s m - L e n i n i s m

@Xinyue They did better than the Soviet Union, change my mind

but what about the falangist
hell, what about the distributists

[ K h r u s h c h e v i t e I d e o l o g y ]

Falangists....idk. They seem more lefty than most fascists

but I consider it insufficient because it still preserves the capitalist class! like almost every form of 3rd position does

right... but they are still considered fascists
fascism is expressed differently in each country its implemented in

I mean, Falangism didn't existed enough to show everything it could do to Spain

3rd position emerged from the acknowledgement that capitalism *as per usual* doesn't work, doesn't work for the benefit of the people, but at the same time from the rejection of socialism and communism. It either cynically put forward the lie, or believes itself the lie, that class collaboration is possible.

@Xinyue it didn't reject socialism, just marxism, so i guess communism and others related

but syndicalism is still on the table

@𝕿𝖔𝖙𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓 𝕲𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖉𝖉𝖉𝖞 Agreed, their main historical demonstration was to become co-opted

yeah franco took over

I would liked to see the evolution of Rivera and the Falange, too bad Franco cucked it out

@Bee dude I've read the Falangist "manifesto" (21 point something-or-other?) and it still explicitly recognises the capitalist class as part of its vision, that is not socialism, in socialism there **is no capitalist class**

its better than the abject horror that is La Dottrina del Fascismo, but only so much

depends on the definition
fascism still sees international financier capitalism as a cancer

Embrace

corporate

no

socialism

NO

😩

ffs

yes

YES

socialism = worker ownership of the *bloody* ***MEANS OF PRODUCTION***

Socialism is whatever I say it is

Bapiro goes solipsist

Pinochet was a socialist

ewww

go away

it's late and i'm shitposting

so what do you think is better, the workers acting directly with the state, or the state acting as a mediator between the workers and the businesses/corporations to get fair wages and conditions etc etc

When the state owns the means of production what it is called?