wait

Peron did it

you cuck

And what is this aspect that I describe in vague terms? *Unalienated labour*

the whole point of fascism is the union of the state and the individual

And it consistently fails at this

its building a community so that it would encourage the individual to be the best they can be

look at nazi germany and italy

they were pretty good economically

dude, whats really funny is that what you're describing what communism is is what fascism is, harmony , self determination of peoples lol

italy sucked

They weren't wholesome communities of free, unalienated individuals man

>the people coming together and becoming whole as a self-determining, sovereign community. The Marxian people's republic, the proletarian republic, allows the people - the network of individual relationships evolving in space and time - to recalibrate themselves, to harmonise themselves, in a way that a fascist state claims it wants but never allows for.

they were broken at the foundation

you make it sound like people in nazi germany were held there against their will

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYRKE2U4R0 this provides some insight on how much the german people actually loved hitler

i can show you some quotes which can probably change your mind @Xinyue later on that is
this is why i want to have lots of beefsteak nazis lol

@Orwell bruh stop shilling that doc lol

Hitler was a faggot

The people were fundamentally divided in Nazi Germany. 200,000 Germans fell victim to the NSDAP (not just killed necessarily, but also including sterilisations, etc) because they couldn't live up to the fitness standards of the Nazi ideology. Further, beyond the common complaints, the labour in Third Reich was *not unalienated* - capitalists still existed, private owners of the major companies and corporations still existed and the workers were still denied their power.

Hitler betrayed the working class

YES

change my mind

Otto Strasser didn't

@Xinyue the state was the mediator, but, i heard that claim, but heard that was mostly during war time, not peace time

Only a proletarian republic of free, unalienated people that together manage the affairs of the republic in a system of public self-government, via workers councils, can be a society where the people are free, unalienated from one another, with wholesome social bonds and a bright future which they together manage side-by-side.

Fascism plays to this rhetoric somewhat,

but the promise given by Fascism is an illusion

are you more of a fan of falangist syndicalism

@Bee then its not that different from social democracy and we know that doesn't deliver the people to the world they want to live in

because there are more leftist types of fascism/3rd positions

@Bee 🏳️‍🌈

i'm just asking

3rd position is in my opinion just a signifier to cucking out to capitalism while playing up socialisty rhetoric :/ sry guys

Justicialism had the best economic model

no

I deny dis

out of all third positionist ideologies

M a r x i s m - L e n i n i s m

@Xinyue They did better than the Soviet Union, change my mind

but what about the falangist
hell, what about the distributists