Message from @The Big Oof

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2018-12-25 04:22:58 UTC  

wait

2018-12-25 04:23:00 UTC  

Peron did it

2018-12-25 04:23:01 UTC  

you cuck

2018-12-25 04:23:11 UTC  

And what is this aspect that I describe in vague terms? *Unalienated labour*

2018-12-25 04:23:13 UTC  

the whole point of fascism is the union of the state and the individual

2018-12-25 04:23:34 UTC  

And it consistently fails at this

2018-12-25 04:23:39 UTC  

its building a community so that it would encourage the individual to be the best they can be

2018-12-25 04:23:51 UTC  

look at nazi germany and italy

2018-12-25 04:23:56 UTC  

they were pretty good economically

2018-12-25 04:23:58 UTC  

dude, whats really funny is that what you're describing what communism is is what fascism is, harmony , self determination of peoples lol

2018-12-25 04:24:01 UTC  

italy sucked

2018-12-25 04:24:11 UTC  

They weren't wholesome communities of free, unalienated individuals man

2018-12-25 04:24:12 UTC  

>the people coming together and becoming whole as a self-determining, sovereign community. The Marxian people's republic, the proletarian republic, allows the people - the network of individual relationships evolving in space and time - to recalibrate themselves, to harmonise themselves, in a way that a fascist state claims it wants but never allows for.

2018-12-25 04:24:24 UTC  

they were broken at the foundation

2018-12-25 04:24:44 UTC  

you make it sound like people in nazi germany were held there against their will

2018-12-25 04:25:39 UTC  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYRKE2U4R0 this provides some insight on how much the german people actually loved hitler

2018-12-25 04:25:53 UTC  

i can show you some quotes which can probably change your mind @Xinyue later on that is
this is why i want to have lots of beefsteak nazis lol

2018-12-25 04:26:08 UTC  

@Orwell bruh stop shilling that doc lol

2018-12-25 04:26:10 UTC  

Hitler was a faggot

2018-12-25 04:26:11 UTC  

The people were fundamentally divided in Nazi Germany. 200,000 Germans fell victim to the NSDAP (not just killed necessarily, but also including sterilisations, etc) because they couldn't live up to the fitness standards of the Nazi ideology. Further, beyond the common complaints, the labour in Third Reich was *not unalienated* - capitalists still existed, private owners of the major companies and corporations still existed and the workers were still denied their power.

2018-12-25 04:26:35 UTC  

Hitler betrayed the working class

2018-12-25 04:26:38 UTC  

YES

2018-12-25 04:26:39 UTC  

change my mind

2018-12-25 04:26:43 UTC  

Otto Strasser didn't

2018-12-25 04:27:19 UTC  

@Xinyue the state was the mediator, but, i heard that claim, but heard that was mostly during war time, not peace time

2018-12-25 04:28:01 UTC  

Only a proletarian republic of free, unalienated people that together manage the affairs of the republic in a system of public self-government, via workers councils, can be a society where the people are free, unalienated from one another, with wholesome social bonds and a bright future which they together manage side-by-side.

2018-12-25 04:28:09 UTC  

Fascism plays to this rhetoric somewhat,

2018-12-25 04:28:15 UTC  

but the promise given by Fascism is an illusion

2018-12-25 04:28:47 UTC  

are you more of a fan of falangist syndicalism

2018-12-25 04:29:00 UTC  

@Bee then its not that different from social democracy and we know that doesn't deliver the people to the world they want to live in

2018-12-25 04:29:02 UTC  

because there are more leftist types of fascism/3rd positions

2018-12-25 04:29:07 UTC  

@Bee 🏳️‍🌈

2018-12-25 04:29:14 UTC  

i'm just asking

2018-12-25 04:29:35 UTC  

3rd position is in my opinion just a signifier to cucking out to capitalism while playing up socialisty rhetoric :/ sry guys

2018-12-25 04:29:41 UTC  

Justicialism had the best economic model

2018-12-25 04:29:43 UTC  

no

2018-12-25 04:29:45 UTC  

I deny dis

2018-12-25 04:29:49 UTC  

out of all third positionist ideologies

2018-12-25 04:29:55 UTC  

M a r x i s m - L e n i n i s m

2018-12-25 04:29:57 UTC  

@Xinyue They did better than the Soviet Union, change my mind

2018-12-25 04:30:05 UTC  

but what about the falangist
hell, what about the distributists