Message from @Bee
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they were pretty good economically
dude, whats really funny is that what you're describing what communism is is what fascism is, harmony , self determination of peoples lol
italy sucked
They weren't wholesome communities of free, unalienated individuals man
>the people coming together and becoming whole as a self-determining, sovereign community. The Marxian people's republic, the proletarian republic, allows the people - the network of individual relationships evolving in space and time - to recalibrate themselves, to harmonise themselves, in a way that a fascist state claims it wants but never allows for.
they were broken at the foundation
you make it sound like people in nazi germany were held there against their will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYRKE2U4R0 this provides some insight on how much the german people actually loved hitler
i can show you some quotes which can probably change your mind @Xinyue later on that is
this is why i want to have lots of beefsteak nazis lol
Hitler was a faggot
The people were fundamentally divided in Nazi Germany. 200,000 Germans fell victim to the NSDAP (not just killed necessarily, but also including sterilisations, etc) because they couldn't live up to the fitness standards of the Nazi ideology. Further, beyond the common complaints, the labour in Third Reich was *not unalienated* - capitalists still existed, private owners of the major companies and corporations still existed and the workers were still denied their power.
Hitler betrayed the working class
YES
change my mind
Otto Strasser didn't
@Xinyue the state was the mediator, but, i heard that claim, but heard that was mostly during war time, not peace time
Only a proletarian republic of free, unalienated people that together manage the affairs of the republic in a system of public self-government, via workers councils, can be a society where the people are free, unalienated from one another, with wholesome social bonds and a bright future which they together manage side-by-side.
Fascism plays to this rhetoric somewhat,
but the promise given by Fascism is an illusion
@Bee then its not that different from social democracy and we know that doesn't deliver the people to the world they want to live in
because there are more leftist types of fascism/3rd positions
@Bee π³οΈβπ
i'm just asking
3rd position is in my opinion just a signifier to cucking out to capitalism while playing up socialisty rhetoric :/ sry guys
Justicialism had the best economic model
no
I deny dis
out of all third positionist ideologies
M a r x i s m - L e n i n i s m
@Xinyue They did better than the Soviet Union, change my mind
but what about the falangist
hell, what about the distributists
[ K h r u s h c h e v i t e I d e o l o g y ]
Falangists....idk. They seem more lefty than most fascists
but I consider it insufficient because it still preserves the capitalist class! like almost every form of 3rd position does
right... but they are still considered fascists
fascism is expressed differently in each country its implemented in
I mean, Falangism didn't existed enough to show everything it could do to Spain
3rd position emerged from the acknowledgement that capitalism *as per usual* doesn't work, doesn't work for the benefit of the people, but at the same time from the rejection of socialism and communism. It either cynically put forward the lie, or believes itself the lie, that class collaboration is possible.
@Xinyue it didn't reject socialism, just marxism, so i guess communism and others related
but syndicalism is still on the table