but the IQ aspect varies greatly, and furthermore this can be pretty quickly bridged as we move towards technologies that can enhance human neurochemistry. In fact, we'll reach heights never reached before by any race.

@Deleted User you know what I meant by that

don't act like you don't

Can you defend your claim?

to say that whites aren't under danger is dumb , that is the thing
but there are other players and problems at play, like the capitalists

yes

As always before, the forces of reaction kneel before the forward advance of history on the waves of materialist dialectics

@Xinyue That may be true, and it certainly is not being disputed

Windabmill of peace on these commies

but what is being disputed

that race is a dumb concept to hang onto

"Your "proletarianism" is a dumb refuge in which you have sought comfort, but it doesn't translate into actual social relations, making it useless"

is whether or not that will arrive in a time frame small enough for us to reconsider our policies

@Bee what's a better concept to hang onto

out of curiousity

@Stern At least it is a material condition affecting people in all countries on a roughly same basis, access to means of production is a material-social condition that defines proletariat across the board; this makes it *useful,* unlike race which - as this discussion well demonstrates - doesn't in fact bring us under same conditions. We are very different, you and I.

@Deleted User being white is a part of it, but our culture, communities, families etc
which certain forces want to strip us of or destroy

Again, I hold nothing in common with you people in terms of politics, world outlook, etc. I do not agree with your ethics, none of it. Isn't it quite stupid to found your politics on such a pragamatically useless concept as class, considering how it doesn't actually impact us right now, as we argue?

What do you share in common with a white communist?
A proletarian muslim?
A proletarian feminist?
A proletarian lesbianist?
A proletarian Jewish convert?
A proletarian this or that you don't agree with?

Nothing. Your "proletarianism" is a dumb refuge in which you have sought comfort, but it doesn't translate into actual social relations, making it useless

@Bee why can't we value all of those and also value race?

@Deleted User that's my point i think, what are you against

```What do you share in common with a white communist?
A proletarian muslim?
A proletarian feminist?
A proletarian lesbianist?
A proletarian Jewish convert?
A proletarian this or that you don't agree with? ```

Our class interest; our lack of access to the productive forces; our lack of say in the direction of society; our daily routines dictated by the nature of our work, commuting, etc.; the need to make ends met by selling of our labour.

I think race, like all of those you mentioned, is something valuable.

Yours is a weak concept, class on the other hand is substantive

"Class" isn't coded in your DNA

is race really not of substance, though?

We have personality differences, for one

@Xinyue At least it is a material condition affecting people in all countries on a roughly same basis, tribal allegiance and racial ancestry defines race across the board; this makes it useful, unlike class which - as this discussion well demonstrates - doesn't in fact bring us under same conditions. We are very different, you and I.

Our genes are the end result of 3.5 billion years of evolution.

>my biological identity that people want to strip me of is a weak concept , although it's the whole basis of tribal/collective survival/action

> "Class" isn't coded in your DNA

Yes, it isn't, and yet it still unifies proletariat and bourgeoisie in their patterns of action and life outlook more than does race! A powerful refutation of the racialist view.

A bit more substantive than some artificial economic class

>class matters more than race
>race matters more than class

class and race matter

^^^^^
THANK YOU

*galaxy brain*

WOAH

good lord

this is why nazbol gang is the only logical stance

based

Stern, I'm waiting 😉

Race in part determines which class category you end up in.