```What do you share in common with a white communist?
A proletarian muslim?
A proletarian feminist?
A proletarian lesbianist?
A proletarian Jewish convert?
A proletarian this or that you don't agree with? ```

Our class interest; our lack of access to the productive forces; our lack of say in the direction of society; our daily routines dictated by the nature of our work, commuting, etc.; the need to make ends met by selling of our labour.

I think race, like all of those you mentioned, is something valuable.

Yours is a weak concept, class on the other hand is substantive

"Class" isn't coded in your DNA

is race really not of substance, though?

We have personality differences, for one

@Xinyue At least it is a material condition affecting people in all countries on a roughly same basis, tribal allegiance and racial ancestry defines race across the board; this makes it useful, unlike class which - as this discussion well demonstrates - doesn't in fact bring us under same conditions. We are very different, you and I.

Our genes are the end result of 3.5 billion years of evolution.

>my biological identity that people want to strip me of is a weak concept , although it's the whole basis of tribal/collective survival/action

> "Class" isn't coded in your DNA

Yes, it isn't, and yet it still unifies proletariat and bourgeoisie in their patterns of action and life outlook more than does race! A powerful refutation of the racialist view.

A bit more substantive than some artificial economic class

>class matters more than race
>race matters more than class

class and race matter

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this is why nazbol gang is the only logical stance

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Race in part determines which class category you end up in.

Doesn't it?

You had no trouble calling me a retard, can't you defend your claim

or, just IQ overall

but yeah sure race can play into it

> A bit more substantive than some artificial economic class

The reason why the upper classes bear nothing in common with the common worker is because their conditions for life are completely different; the tools at their disposal, the access to economic wealth and direction of the course of nations, all of this is distinct. For this reason when you see a poor person who quickly becomes wealthy, you see a remarkable transition in personality and life outlook. It is because, the conditions for his or her life have changed decisively.

@Deleted User I can

it's not just IQ

it's also temperament

sure

@Xinyue they are there for a reason. you can provide a poor man with the same tools and wealth, it won't last very long.

Can a lobster be a capitalist?

Well there are quite a few people who are what we could say "self-made" who in fact made wealth for themselves and kept it

lol

The reason why the each race bears nothing in common with other races is because their conditions for life are completely different; the history of their development, the access to gene pools and direction of the course of nations, all of this is distinct. For this reason when you see a black person who quickly becomes an uncle tom, you see a remarkable transition in personality and life outlook. It is because, the conditions for his or her life have changed decisively.

No. Why not? Because of BIOLOGICAL limitations.

I bear nothing in common with you guys. Nothing. Our shared "caucasoid" race is not, in fact, something that translates to actual politics @Stern

theres a difference between starting a business and making it and winning the lottery

lottery winners blow their money

Biology is the foundation upon which things like class can be built

@Xinyue I bear nothing in common with you guys. Nothing. Our shared "proletarian" class is not, in fact, something that translates to actual politics