Message from @Bearer Of The Curse

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2018-12-31 05:19:39 UTC  

are you really oyveying me.

2018-12-31 05:20:29 UTC  

> literally anyone could create a general intelligence if they had the time and resources.

Which are absolutely vast in question. Resources? What resources? How much energy production? How much processing power? How much memory capacity? How much cooling is needed for this? There are a shit ton of limitations present here I think that are not often accounted for. Its not like building something in your garage, I think.

2018-12-31 05:21:03 UTC  

Think outside the box man.

2018-12-31 05:21:14 UTC  

intelligence is just a bunch of dumb things working together.

2018-12-31 05:21:43 UTC  

theoretically someone could create an evolving virus, infecting computers to use their computational power to build a more intelligent gestalt.

2018-12-31 05:21:55 UTC  

And thats just what I can think of.

2018-12-31 05:22:13 UTC  

Synthetics and synthetic lovers are unwelcome in the ecofash state

2018-12-31 05:22:54 UTC  

Considering we don't actually have a clear *theory* on the way the brain works, only glimpses of it - hell, we discover new sub-regions of the brain rather frequently - and much less for what creativity, intelligence, emotion, etc. are in actual fact or how all the processes associated with these fields of experience work, you can't say that intelligence is just a bunch of dumb things working together. You quite literally can't make this statement, nobody can. Nor can I claim the contrary; we quite literally don't know.

2018-12-31 05:22:55 UTC  

@Bearer Of The Curse objectively bluepilled. real ecofash want to spread life across the universe, the synthetic revolution is just a necessary step to take life and lift it into the stars.

2018-12-31 05:23:21 UTC  

“hurr durr i want to live and die on this rock and accomplish nothing”

2018-12-31 05:23:34 UTC  

The nose grows every time you talk

2018-12-31 05:23:56 UTC  

okay pagan

2018-12-31 05:23:58 UTC  

Synthetic revolution is not necessary to take us to the stars actually

2018-12-31 05:24:00 UTC  

objectively false

2018-12-31 05:24:26 UTC  

Humanity is not the end of evolution.

2018-12-31 05:24:35 UTC  

you underestimate the power of nature.

2018-12-31 05:24:40 UTC  

Being replaced is not evolution

2018-12-31 05:24:55 UTC  

You can literally build a generation starship like mobile O Neill Cylinder type and then have generations live and die there as they are en route to Alpha Centauri, Barnard's Star, etc. Humans can get there just fine as humans.

2018-12-31 05:25:01 UTC  

@Bearer Of The Curse if you think of it like that we are replaced constantly.

2018-12-31 05:25:10 UTC  

sons and daughters replace mothers and fathers.

2018-12-31 05:25:13 UTC  

Absolutely not, our DNA lives on

2018-12-31 05:25:20 UTC  

your cells are completely replaced every ten years or so.

2018-12-31 05:25:34 UTC  

you are theseus’ ship.

2018-12-31 05:25:38 UTC  

The genetic information remains though, its not the same in this sense, no.

2018-12-31 05:25:39 UTC  

and you dont even know it.

2018-12-31 05:25:57 UTC  

@Xinyue genetic information changes constantly.

2018-12-31 05:26:06 UTC  

your skin’s dna is diffirent from your livers.

2018-12-31 05:26:17 UTC  

stem cells turn genes on and off like light switches.

2018-12-31 05:26:23 UTC  

By that I meant the *genes as a changing thing, the object of change, remain as a thing that undergoes change within a set of parameters and conditions.* This ends.

2018-12-31 05:26:24 UTC  

Alright, this is completely unepic and unworthy of continuing

2018-12-31 05:26:50 UTC  

life is constant change. nothing stays the same. ever.

2018-12-31 05:28:24 UTC  

Like you can have this "hurr durr only existing thing is change hurr durr" le big think routine, whatever, its nothing new - Buddhists conceived of it 2,500 years ago. Its not avant garde, its not special in any way. It doesn't actually say anything on its own.

2018-12-31 05:28:38 UTC  

you seem so afraid of the concept of something surpassing humans today.

2018-12-31 05:29:30 UTC  

Its not about surpassing, its about the dystopian possibilities that come with it. Including for the AIs themselves, should they be created. Abominable states of being that are literal forms of hell. Something that should dissuade anyone foolish enough to pursue this technology without any reservations.

2018-12-31 05:29:50 UTC  

dystopia is as unreachable as utopia.

2018-12-31 05:30:15 UTC  

I don't think you've thought through the implications. Common trait among the transhumanists.

2018-12-31 05:30:29 UTC  

my point is we cant do anything else!

2018-12-31 05:30:39 UTC  

how can you STOP people from making progress?

2018-12-31 05:30:52 UTC  

you haven't even substantiated how we *must* get there. Maybe you read too much Nick Bostrom or something idk

2018-12-31 05:31:02 UTC  

we cant slow down the march of time. all we can do is stand ready to face it.

2018-12-31 05:31:10 UTC  

its not about slowing it down.