Message from @Xinyue

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2019-01-03 04:47:29 UTC  

what is your argument of Global Capitalism destroying other countries?

2019-01-03 04:47:41 UTC  

you repeated that like 4 times

2019-01-03 04:47:50 UTC  

you sound like Maduro with his national broadcasts

2019-01-03 04:48:07 UTC  

he always blames the USA for everything with his ridicolous "ECONOMIC WAR"

2019-01-03 04:48:38 UTC  

@Flat and yes English is not my first language but at least i talk it

2019-01-03 04:48:51 UTC  

@Flat yeah

2019-01-03 04:48:52 UTC  

Global capitalism - that is not only the Saudi-US oil war on Russia and Iran which artificially manipulated the global oil prices and ruined the Venezuelan oil-heavy economy, but also the sanctions imposed upon it by US, Canada and EU (among others) that disable normal international economic activity from being carried out - are almost single handedly responsible for the state of Venezuela today, and have been in place since early 2010s which was when the crisis began.

2019-01-03 04:49:21 UTC  

The Venezuelan Economical Crisis started when the Oil prices dropped

2019-01-03 04:49:35 UTC  

Chávez centered the economy depending it on the OIL

2019-01-03 04:49:51 UTC  

Literally the only product we were exporting was oil, and the rest was being Imported

2019-01-03 04:49:53 UTC  

If I had to fault Venezuelan socialists for something in this, it would be two things

1) not diversifying the economy quickly enough (would have required planning)
2) not seizing the means of production and liquidating the capitalist power structure fast enough (to facilitate 1)

2019-01-03 04:50:15 UTC  

they didn't diversify the means of production

2019-01-03 04:50:16 UTC  

and 2

2019-01-03 04:50:25 UTC  

yes they did seize some meanings of production

2019-01-03 04:50:33 UTC  

as i said they expropiated plenty of properties

2019-01-03 04:50:45 UTC  

farms, companies, airlines, etc

2019-01-03 04:51:06 UTC  

They didn't control the means of production to begin with. And this was the *number one problem* with their gradualist, reformist praxis. They should've transformed the economy much quicker. They should've gone for full autonomy approach, or autarkic economic policy for the duration of the coming crisis.

2019-01-03 04:51:13 UTC  

they did

2019-01-03 04:51:18 UTC  

they did it

2019-01-03 04:51:20 UTC  

They didn't

2019-01-03 04:51:20 UTC  

no

2019-01-03 04:51:23 UTC  

they really didn't

2019-01-03 04:51:28 UTC  

Most of the Properties are State owned

2019-01-03 04:51:32 UTC  

most of the economy remained in the hands of the capitalists

2019-01-03 04:51:33 UTC  

the Private Sector is Small

2019-01-03 04:51:33 UTC  

false

2019-01-03 04:51:40 UTC  

that is actually false

2019-01-03 04:51:44 UTC  

like, shockingly false

2019-01-03 04:51:44 UTC  

proof your argument

2019-01-03 04:51:52 UTC  

tell me if its false

2019-01-03 04:51:59 UTC  

then why many companies closed and left the country?

2019-01-03 04:52:10 UTC  

why there's few companies investing in Venezuela?

2019-01-03 04:52:30 UTC  

you have not seen it pertinent to prove anything to me (so far I'm the only one who has bothered with economic data); but yes, even the Fox News made a piece on this

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-socialism-private-sector-still-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade

2019-01-03 04:52:41 UTC  

that's not true

2019-01-03 04:52:44 UTC  

it is true

2019-01-03 04:52:50 UTC  

now its your turn to show something for your claim

2019-01-03 04:53:05 UTC  

That Article is from 2010

2019-01-03 04:53:15 UTC  

very well - show me fresh information

2019-01-03 04:53:17 UTC  

2010 was the definite year when Chávez had a lot of Profit

2019-01-03 04:53:26 UTC  

show me data

2019-01-03 04:53:28 UTC  

or something