Message from @Grimm0175
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as you can see, HDI and education both gained tremendously during the Chavez administration, and that inflation rates were at an all time low; further, poverty went down significantly and the country was making real progress. Sure, these were due to gradualist socialist policies rather than the clear-cut, transformative socialism of actual substance, but its still noteworthy and you cannot dismiss it as "destroying" your country.

in fact PDVSA's OIL production lowed to 1.500.000 Barrels
there was even Poverty before Chávez because
Like we can talk and exchange anecdotes all day but it will still be inferior to data and actual analysis of the economic and political factors at play
After the Overtrown of Marcos Pérez Jiménez wich was a Military Dictator with Conservative and Nationalistic Policies
the country was ruled for 40 years by Social-Democrats and Social-Christians
those Statistics doesn't match with the Reality
Join the afc y’all
there's a lot of Crime rates in Venezuela
Also Maduro was arguably the worst person to follow up on Chavez. He's completely incapable of doing anything and probably should be replaced *either* by a more competent figure within PSUV or, perhaps more preferably, by a leading figure of PCV
now the Life Expectancy is lowering
if Chávez was Still in Power, the same thing would happen
What do you mean "a lot of crime rates"
it's Socialism it doesn't work
163 people in a single day dies in the capital city of Caracas
Well in the sense that, yes, global capitalism ruined your country and it ruins it no matter who's the leader
however, actual, real differences in policy can impact this
@Honey Beanger I would assume English isn’t his first language so you probably can just piece together what he means.
you repeated that like 4 times
you sound like Maduro with his national broadcasts
he always blames the USA for everything with his ridicolous "ECONOMIC WAR"
@Flat and yes English is not my first language but at least i talk it
@Flat yeah
Global capitalism - that is not only the Saudi-US oil war on Russia and Iran which artificially manipulated the global oil prices and ruined the Venezuelan oil-heavy economy, but also the sanctions imposed upon it by US, Canada and EU (among others) that disable normal international economic activity from being carried out - are almost single handedly responsible for the state of Venezuela today, and have been in place since early 2010s which was when the crisis began.
The Venezuelan Economical Crisis started when the Oil prices dropped
Chávez centered the economy depending it on the OIL
Literally the only product we were exporting was oil, and the rest was being Imported
If I had to fault Venezuelan socialists for something in this, it would be two things
1) not diversifying the economy quickly enough (would have required planning)
2) not seizing the means of production and liquidating the capitalist power structure fast enough (to facilitate 1)
they didn't diversify the means of production
and 2
yes they did seize some meanings of production
as i said they expropiated plenty of properties
farms, companies, airlines, etc
They didn't control the means of production to begin with. And this was the *number one problem* with their gradualist, reformist praxis. They should've transformed the economy much quicker. They should've gone for full autonomy approach, or autarkic economic policy for the duration of the coming crisis.
they did
they did it
They didn't
no

