Message from @Grimm0175

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2019-01-03 04:40:37 UTC  

I tend to think that Chavism is *too soft*

2019-01-03 04:40:43 UTC  

soft?

2019-01-03 04:40:54 UTC  

it destroyed my country in 20 years

2019-01-03 04:40:56 UTC  

it didn't liquidate the capitalist sector of the economy, it did very little to annex it

2019-01-03 04:41:00 UTC  

it did

2019-01-03 04:41:14 UTC  

you guys keep saying that it destroyed your country in 20 years but you have absolutely no argument for it; this is pure propaganda point

2019-01-03 04:41:17 UTC  

when he started to take control over the main Oil company wich is

2019-01-03 04:41:22 UTC  

PDVSA

2019-01-03 04:41:33 UTC  

he fired 20.000 people that were working there

2019-01-03 04:41:36 UTC  

in wich

2019-01-03 04:41:41 UTC  

My parents are INCLUIDED

2019-01-03 04:41:54 UTC  

this people were very competent, and were against Chávez Politics

2019-01-03 04:42:21 UTC  

before PDVSA was taken by the Proletariat, it was a very competent company and they had a meritocracy system

2019-01-03 04:42:50 UTC  

they had a supervisor checking every single worker job so they can know their perfomance

2019-01-03 04:43:09 UTC  

one of the slogans of the company was "The Meritocracy is Excellence"

2019-01-03 04:43:54 UTC  

so back to the point, when this professional personal was fired from their jobs, Chávez simply give jobs for people that doesn't even know how to work in a Oil Company

2019-01-03 04:44:03 UTC  

as you can see, HDI and education both gained tremendously during the Chavez administration, and that inflation rates were at an all time low; further, poverty went down significantly and the country was making real progress. Sure, these were due to gradualist socialist policies rather than the clear-cut, transformative socialism of actual substance, but its still noteworthy and you cannot dismiss it as "destroying" your country.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/530244931634331679/venezuela1.png

2019-01-03 04:44:05 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/530244940790497301/Venezuela_historic_inflation_vs._oil_revenue.png

2019-01-03 04:44:07 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/530244947710967808/INE_Venezuela_poverty_rate_1990_to_2013.png

2019-01-03 04:44:13 UTC  

in fact PDVSA's OIL production lowed to 1.500.000 Barrels

2019-01-03 04:44:40 UTC  

there was even Poverty before Chávez because

2019-01-03 04:44:50 UTC  

Like we can talk and exchange anecdotes all day but it will still be inferior to data and actual analysis of the economic and political factors at play

2019-01-03 04:45:16 UTC  

After the Overtrown of Marcos Pérez Jiménez wich was a Military Dictator with Conservative and Nationalistic Policies

2019-01-03 04:45:32 UTC  

the country was ruled for 40 years by Social-Democrats and Social-Christians

2019-01-03 04:46:13 UTC  

those Statistics doesn't match with the Reality

2019-01-03 04:46:15 UTC  

Join the afc y’all

2019-01-03 04:46:23 UTC  

there's a lot of Crime rates in Venezuela

2019-01-03 04:46:30 UTC  

Also Maduro was arguably the worst person to follow up on Chavez. He's completely incapable of doing anything and probably should be replaced *either* by a more competent figure within PSUV or, perhaps more preferably, by a leading figure of PCV

2019-01-03 04:46:32 UTC  

now the Life Expectancy is lowering

2019-01-03 04:46:47 UTC  

if Chávez was Still in Power, the same thing would happen

2019-01-03 04:46:51 UTC  

What do you mean "a lot of crime rates"

2019-01-03 04:46:52 UTC  

it's Socialism it doesn't work

2019-01-03 04:47:06 UTC  

163 people in a single day dies in the capital city of Caracas

2019-01-03 04:47:09 UTC  

Well in the sense that, yes, global capitalism ruined your country and it ruins it no matter who's the leader

2019-01-03 04:47:14 UTC  

however, actual, real differences in policy can impact this

2019-01-03 04:47:26 UTC  

@Honey Beanger I would assume English isn’t his first language so you probably can just piece together what he means.

2019-01-03 04:47:29 UTC  

what is your argument of Global Capitalism destroying other countries?

2019-01-03 04:47:41 UTC  

you repeated that like 4 times

2019-01-03 04:47:50 UTC  

you sound like Maduro with his national broadcasts

2019-01-03 04:48:07 UTC  

he always blames the USA for everything with his ridicolous "ECONOMIC WAR"

2019-01-03 04:48:38 UTC  

@Flat and yes English is not my first language but at least i talk it