Message from @Grimm0175
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yes this is what data would let us surmise
you are telling me about Chávez Period when i know what he even did before politics?
for real?
...
you are lost
there's no point debating with you, it's like Debating with a Chavista in my country
they are STUPID AS HELL, they are Fanatical debotes to Chávez
you asked me for the legacy of the Chavez period and I gave you it with context of what I know of it, its aims and its most general outlook (which, due to inability to read or speak spanish, is limited)
AND PLENTY OF THEM BELIEVE THAT CHÁVEZ IS A GOD
I'M NOT KIDDING
THEY EVEN BUILT A CHAPPEL IN HIS NAME
It is called "Capilla Santo Hugo Chávez"
I'm not a Chavista though, you might not want to project your preconceptions based on experiences in your country upon me
I tend to think that Chavism is *too soft*
soft?
it destroyed my country in 20 years
it didn't liquidate the capitalist sector of the economy, it did very little to annex it
it did
you guys keep saying that it destroyed your country in 20 years but you have absolutely no argument for it; this is pure propaganda point
when he started to take control over the main Oil company wich is
he fired 20.000 people that were working there
in wich
My parents are INCLUIDED
this people were very competent, and were against Chávez Politics
before PDVSA was taken by the Proletariat, it was a very competent company and they had a meritocracy system
they had a supervisor checking every single worker job so they can know their perfomance
one of the slogans of the company was "The Meritocracy is Excellence"
so back to the point, when this professional personal was fired from their jobs, Chávez simply give jobs for people that doesn't even know how to work in a Oil Company
as you can see, HDI and education both gained tremendously during the Chavez administration, and that inflation rates were at an all time low; further, poverty went down significantly and the country was making real progress. Sure, these were due to gradualist socialist policies rather than the clear-cut, transformative socialism of actual substance, but its still noteworthy and you cannot dismiss it as "destroying" your country.

in fact PDVSA's OIL production lowed to 1.500.000 Barrels
there was even Poverty before Chávez because
Like we can talk and exchange anecdotes all day but it will still be inferior to data and actual analysis of the economic and political factors at play
After the Overtrown of Marcos Pérez Jiménez wich was a Military Dictator with Conservative and Nationalistic Policies
the country was ruled for 40 years by Social-Democrats and Social-Christians
those Statistics doesn't match with the Reality
Join the afc y’all
there's a lot of Crime rates in Venezuela
Also Maduro was arguably the worst person to follow up on Chavez. He's completely incapable of doing anything and probably should be replaced *either* by a more competent figure within PSUV or, perhaps more preferably, by a leading figure of PCV

