Lighten up

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When people want to enter your country you will screen them and decide whether to let them in or not. You'll make your decision based not on what's fair but what's best for your country. In the process you will discriminate.

Civilization was always based on discrimination, tribalism etc. What left does is unique only because it reverses the roles and thus it results in an unstable society.

That's a discrimination based on person's action.

No it isn't. Blacks are way more likely to commit crimes. If you don't want to import crime into your country you will discriminate

Not necesairly. Quite often you don't know the persons actions. You can only guess based on probabilites.

That's not fair and it's not based on what the individual did, but it will make your country safer

Yes, that is basic discrimination, the kind of discrimination I’m talking about is when people are denied something based solely on race, sexuality, age, etc. Illegal immigrants are screened for criminal activity, diseases, malicious intent, and a plethora of other things that would justify them not being allowed into a country, especially the United States. Nobody looks at immigrants and says, “you can’t come in because you’re gay.” Or “turn around, you’re too black.”

What makes you think discrimination based on action is not a form of discrimination based on race? @Kazimir Malevich

If you don't want to import crime into your country, you don't invite criminals or people with criminal backgrounds.

@The Big Oof Because the member of a race has a choice not to commit said action.

"I think x group is violent because of experience, therefore I will apply the appropriate treatment to group x"

And vice versa.

Yes, I agree @Kazimir Malevich because those people are criminals, they aren’t being turned away solely for being black, or female, or gay.

@Zabriskie actually they did that since the US was founded. Modern immigration policy is a new development

They absolutely screened out non whites

I know @Deleted User and that’s why we don’t use the past to discuss the present and the future.

Your argument is "thats bad because I'm a liberal" but I reject liberalism.

In other words we value different things.

I’m not saying anybody is a liberal.

I’m certainly not one myself.

@Kazimir Malevich Discriminating against the uneducated because they are more likely to be criminal is essentially the same thing as discriminating against a certain race because they are more criminal

The uneducated can choose to not act more criminally

neither are really uncommon

They're both the basis of discrimination

I care about the group and I think we should do what is nessesary for the group's survival and prosperity. If we have to discriminate against individuals, so be it.

What group is that?

I believe that whites, and white men in particular should control society. We are best fit to do so. But there shouldn’t be any unfair advantages to that. We should be intelligent and proper enough to do it fairly, otherwise we must not be doing the best job we could be.

The idea that you have to accept someone from another country because he is not a criminal even when it goes against your own interest because "it is what the good goys do" is....

not an argument

@Kazimir Malevich Anyways, when you say based on action, do you mean it's okay to discriminate based on a committed action or the probability that one will commit that action

@The Big Oof I would wish to reduce the probability of said action being committed. However, I do not believe race or sex to be a valid form of determining the probability of said action being committed.

For example, the mutts in here constantly talk about le blacks committing a lot of crime, forgetting that the reason for that is the majority of black populations living in struggling communities a la Detroit.

Whites in Eastern Europe are poorer than American blacks

They don't have comparable crime rates

@Kazimir Malevich you're forgetting that blacks make up a minor population

@Aki You’re right, it’s not an argument, it’s how our society works, and that type of discrimination is actually already illegal. If you are not accepting somebody into a country because it goes against “your own interest,” well who’s interest is it? Is it that specific border control employee? Is it ICE? Is it the whole country? I doubt you know the interests of the whole country. But if said immigrant will devalue your country based on just claims or actions such as criminal activity or refusing to work and contribute to society, but all means do not let them in. Otherwise turning away someone with no criminal record, who is eager to work and contribute to a country, solely because they’re gay or black is unjustifiable.

And poor American whites are more numerous as majority

@Zabriskie All you are offering is a moral appeal my dude.

It's not that I'm in favor of discrimination, it's that I think it's unavoidable