Message from @мιяαgє
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for instance, I do not have the freedom to murder you
and i think most people would agree to that
That's basic Perennial Natural Law.
that's philosophy vs written law
Law is a type of Philosphy Enforced.
and I chose something FAR at the end of the spectrum
lets take something a bit cloudier
i do not have the liberty to board an airplane immediately and without vetting procedures
What's Far end of the spectrum to you
might be the Centrist Posistion in another culture.
murder is far end... boarding planes is mid range
police state would be the other end
Murder is Univserally Wrong
it has no spectrum
Unless justified through a moral pretext
it is Universally wrong.
Depends on the culture.
jesus christ we're talking about the balance of liberty in the west
i'm just saying it's a spectrum
you talk about "valuing liberty and freedom"
like, I value have the liberty to criticize the goverment, but I'm fine with being patted down before getting on an airplane
yes freedom vs security is a big one
I don't know if I agree with that popular framing.
To adjust to your framing lets test the edges.
What is the limit between Freedom and Security?
Where is the line?
that would vary from person to person
It seems to fluctuate.
you need only look at the gun debate
the left is more than willing to give up their freedom to own firearms under the guise of security
i am not
But it doesn't effect person to person
it affects us all.
yes, and "us all" will never agree on what that line is
and what is t he root cause of this in your view?
uh.. that people are different and have different ideologies?
Ah ha
and all it takes is for an ideaology that does not vaule freedom to become dominant for a time.
to ruin everything.
sure