Message from @мιяαgє
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if they break a law, they should be prosecuted
it's not against the law to disagree with our goverment
in fact, it is encouraged
first amendment, baby
How long do you think that will last
what? the constitution?
People who vaule liberty and freedom.
being culturally dominant.
I respect you.
well there are always going to be tradeoffs regarding liberty and freedom
many we agree to
for instance, I do not have the freedom to murder you
and i think most people would agree to that
That's basic Perennial Natural Law.
that's philosophy vs written law
Law is a type of Philosphy Enforced.
and I chose something FAR at the end of the spectrum
lets take something a bit cloudier
i do not have the liberty to board an airplane immediately and without vetting procedures
What's Far end of the spectrum to you
murder is far end... boarding planes is mid range
police state would be the other end
Murder is Univserally Wrong
it has no spectrum
Unless justified through a moral pretext
it is Universally wrong.
Depends on the culture.
jesus christ we're talking about the balance of liberty in the west
i'm just saying it's a spectrum
you talk about "valuing liberty and freedom"
and you are talking about Freedom vs Security?
like, I value have the liberty to criticize the goverment, but I'm fine with being patted down before getting on an airplane
yes freedom vs security is a big one
I don't know if I agree with that popular framing.
To adjust to your framing lets test the edges.
What is the limit between Freedom and Security?
Where is the line?
that would vary from person to person
It seems to fluctuate.
you need only look at the gun debate