Message from @Nicholas

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2019-01-09 16:37:28 UTC  

>there are different sects of Catholicism
What do you mean?
To be considered a Catholic, you need to accept Catholic dogma which is universal.
If you mean different liturgical rites, Orthodoxy also has different rites.
But all liturgical rites of the Catholic Church follow the same doctrine and dogma.

2019-01-09 16:41:02 UTC  

If you're a modern Catholic you reject that dogma

2019-01-09 16:41:19 UTC  

Only Sedevacantists follow it because Vatican II is illegitimate

2019-01-09 16:41:56 UTC  

Well, I am a Sedevacantist
And yes Novus Ordites are not real Catholics

2019-01-09 16:42:11 UTC  

Like sects Catholicism which does not agree with each other

2019-01-09 16:42:19 UTC  

Example?

2019-01-09 16:43:23 UTC  

If someone denies Catholic dogma, he's not Catholic...plain and simple

2019-01-09 16:44:45 UTC  

I know someone who is Novus Ordo and thinks he's still trad

2019-01-09 16:45:08 UTC  

😔

2019-01-09 16:49:29 UTC  

Like there are sects of Catholicism who disagree with popes

2019-01-09 16:51:57 UTC  

First of all, Sede is vacant and it has been that way since Vatican II
Second, not everything pope does or says is infallible.
He is infallible when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.

2019-01-09 16:52:57 UTC  

>everything the pope does or say is infallible

2019-01-09 16:53:07 UTC  

Kill me

2019-01-09 16:53:18 UTC  

NOT everything

2019-01-09 16:53:24 UTC  

Exactly

2019-01-09 16:53:36 UTC  

Sorry

2019-01-09 16:53:41 UTC  

I am dyslexic

2019-01-09 16:53:52 UTC  

And it’s sort of the same with orthodoxy

2019-01-09 16:54:24 UTC  

Yes, but Canonizations are considered infallible in Catholicism.

2019-01-09 16:59:46 UTC  

Yeah but palamas is not canon

2019-01-09 17:00:45 UTC  

But he is a Saint?

2019-01-09 17:02:34 UTC  

But that doesn’t mean that his ideas were canon

2019-01-09 17:02:51 UTC  

It means that he was a holy man

2019-01-09 17:02:55 UTC  

A very holy man

2019-01-09 17:04:11 UTC  

A heretic cannot become a Saint (at least in Catholicism).
Plus, heretic cannot be "holy"...

2019-01-09 17:15:11 UTC  

Yes they can

2019-01-09 17:15:31 UTC  

You can have a heretic who beloved in god but has a very different view on him

2019-01-09 17:16:07 UTC  

Epic
Does that mean a Muslim or a member of another religion can be holy?

2019-01-09 17:16:22 UTC  

Well

2019-01-09 17:16:30 UTC  

In the Christian god

2019-01-09 17:16:49 UTC  

There are orthodox saints that Catholics recognise

2019-01-09 17:16:53 UTC  

And vice versa

2019-01-09 17:18:29 UTC  

Palamas version of God is not Christian God, that's the point...
>There are orthodox saints that Catholics recognise
Yes, Saints that lived before the Great schism

2019-01-09 17:18:50 UTC  

It’s intentions is Christian

2019-01-09 17:18:59 UTC  

He just didn’t think it over

2019-01-09 17:21:06 UTC  

Your logic is flawed. Then every major heresy in Christianity was "Christian"...
Palamas distinction is somewhat similar to Nestorianism, which was a major heresy in the Early Church history.

2019-01-09 17:21:40 UTC  

What

2019-01-09 17:21:44 UTC  

How

2019-01-09 17:22:55 UTC  

I didn’t call Palamas a Christian

2019-01-09 17:23:41 UTC  

His intentions were Christian

2019-01-09 17:23:54 UTC  

>non Christian
>Saint
Epic