Message from @Knefel

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2019-03-06 19:28:58 UTC  

The Chally 2? It took an RPG-29 to crack through the lower plate.

2019-03-06 19:29:15 UTC  

You could do it with a tandem RPG-7

2019-03-06 19:29:19 UTC  

29 is overkill

2019-03-06 19:29:24 UTC  

Uhm, no.

2019-03-06 19:29:28 UTC  

and that is with ERA

2019-03-06 19:29:38 UTC  

The Chally has been hit multiple times with tandem warheads.

2019-03-06 19:30:03 UTC  

Most can't get through the thinner layers, let alone the main slabs

2019-03-06 19:30:22 UTC  

The composite on turret front/side and upper hull can withstand any RPG, including the 29

2019-03-06 19:30:39 UTC  

but lower hull only had 70-80mm steel originally

2019-03-06 19:30:46 UTC  

so they put ERA on it

2019-03-06 19:30:54 UTC  

>originally
Yes, and now it's reinforced.

2019-03-06 19:31:16 UTC  

once that got busted through with a tandem RPG-29 they put a composite block on it

2019-03-06 19:31:25 UTC  

that should stop RPGs

2019-03-06 19:31:51 UTC  

but it's likely not enough against modern russian KE penetrators like Svinets-1 and 2

2019-03-06 19:32:11 UTC  

Russians don't use APFSDS as their main shell

2019-03-06 19:32:11 UTC  

and the are above the driver's hatch is still only steel

2019-03-06 19:32:19 UTC  

ye they do

2019-03-06 19:32:26 UTC  

they have since the T-62

2019-03-06 19:32:31 UTC  

They have and always will focus on ATGM and HEAT-FS

2019-03-06 19:32:46 UTC  

Their ATGM's are by far the most dangerous weapon in their arsenal

2019-03-06 19:33:09 UTC  

125mm tank gun HEAT-FS hasn't changed significantly since the T-64

2019-03-06 19:33:21 UTC  

Um, u wot

2019-03-06 19:33:31 UTC  

gun-launched ATGMs are also mediocore because you can't increase their caliber

2019-03-06 19:33:35 UTC  

They have changed SIGNIFICANTLY

2019-03-06 19:33:46 UTC  

They have triple-charge HEAT-FS

2019-03-06 19:34:32 UTC  

that still does jack shit against western composites

2019-03-06 19:34:37 UTC  

wew lad

2019-03-06 19:34:56 UTC  

their best ATGMs are helo and vehicle-based

2019-03-06 19:35:22 UTC  

since a gun tube or a soldier's carrying capacity doesn't limit their weight or size

2019-03-06 19:35:30 UTC  

The fact you think MBT armor can handle triple-HEAT means your opinion is irrelevant.

2019-03-06 19:36:05 UTC  

It required a complete redesign of ERA panels and their moutings to even begin to counter triple-HEAT warheads.

2019-03-06 19:36:29 UTC  

double and triple warheads are only effective against ERA panels

2019-03-06 19:36:38 UTC  

western MBTs don't rely on ERA

2019-03-06 19:36:49 UTC  

And they also defeat composite armor.

2019-03-06 19:37:03 UTC  

Spacing and ceramic inserts are not invincible

2019-03-06 19:37:40 UTC  

a single-stage warhead is just as effective against NERA and passive composites as a single-staged warhead

2019-03-06 19:37:52 UTC  

Newer triple charges are rated up to nearly 3000mm, including composites.

2019-03-06 19:37:59 UTC  

hwat?

2019-03-06 19:38:09 UTC  

where did you get *that* number

2019-03-06 19:38:28 UTC  

the best HEAT warheads are rated at *maybe* 1500mm

2019-03-06 19:38:33 UTC  

Last I looked there was a triple-HEAT with nearly 3000mm of penetration RHA.