Russians don't use APFSDS as their main shell

and the are above the driver's hatch is still only steel

ye they do

they have since the T-62

They have and always will focus on ATGM and HEAT-FS

Their ATGM's are by far the most dangerous weapon in their arsenal

125mm tank gun HEAT-FS hasn't changed significantly since the T-64

Um, u wot

gun-launched ATGMs are also mediocore because you can't increase their caliber

They have changed SIGNIFICANTLY

They have triple-charge HEAT-FS

that still does jack shit against western composites

wew lad

their best ATGMs are helo and vehicle-based

since a gun tube or a soldier's carrying capacity doesn't limit their weight or size

The fact you think MBT armor can handle triple-HEAT means your opinion is irrelevant.

It required a complete redesign of ERA panels and their moutings to even begin to counter triple-HEAT warheads.

double and triple warheads are only effective against ERA panels

western MBTs don't rely on ERA

And they also defeat composite armor.

Spacing and ceramic inserts are not invincible

a single-stage warhead is just as effective against NERA and passive composites as a single-staged warhead

Newer triple charges are rated up to nearly 3000mm, including composites.

hwat?

where did you get *that* number

the best HEAT warheads are rated at *maybe* 1500mm

Last I looked there was a triple-HEAT with nearly 3000mm of penetration RHA.

and a 125mm diameter tank-launched one won't even break 1000mm

You can think that all you want until they do.

Chobham-type composites are 3,5 times as effective against HEAT warheads as against kinetic penetrators

since Russian KE penetrators go up to ~900mm of pen, their ATGMs would need to break 3k mm to be *as effective*

and with current tech, to achieve penetration like that you'd need a warhead so massive, you might as well use a 250kg bomb

Well the Russians certainly think they're good enough, and so does NATO.

That's what they want you to thin

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I'm going to go with triple-HEAT is rendering conventional armor irrelevant

Which is why we're seeing a huge shift towards active protection and nanocomposite alloys.

Even wiki calls bullshit on that one

800mm ain't shit against composite tank armor

NATO tanks had that much heat resistance since the late 80s