I talked to some NATO operatives who were high up in the Cold War, and they say the same shit our current NATO guys say

Which is, we dick about on joint ops, don't take them seriously, and have a serious discipline issue amongst all 5 branches until you hit our higher end professionals or our specialists in critical MOSes.

Then they say the training from those few are invaluable/some of the best in the world.

IE: Medical training stateside we give our allies.

I mean that makes sense

Every year we got dickbags who laugh at the Swedish cold weather instructors and sure enough, 5-10 nearly die of Hypo

It does, it's actually common sense when written out this way

The US has *never* had a disciplined ground force. Ever.

Just most Americans would never have the rose tinted shit fall off their eyes

I mean, in the grand scheme of things

We're the equivalent of a white Congo/third world revolution

It's no different than the Ivory Coast rebelling against France, except we're the same shit as those we rebelled against

So it was all groovy. Plus it removed debt from England so it worked out

Well I mean in every war we've fought it has been a universal fact that US forces will do whateverthe fuck they feel like at the time, with no discernable tactics or strategy 99% of the time.

Ah if only we were still that way today. Perhaps we could own weed and automatics

The revolutionary part.

Not the "not reading our own regulations/manuals/sticking to our own doctrine," part.

Like one engagement to the next against US forces and you can see totally different tactics and responses

Let alone between different branches

We had two ops in 2018 that were a massive shit show

One in Iceland, the other, Trident Juncture

How bad?

Iceland field op, simulation between small Icelandic force and U.S MEU.

U.S Marines were forced to surrender because they were caught trying to secure tents in hurricane strength winds.

wut

Perimeter guards pulled off to secure gear that was blowing away. Icelandic guys were doing recon as OPFOR, signaled to their main forces to take advantage. They encircled the Marines as OPFOR and caught them trying to stake down their tents and gear covers on their vehicles.

Basically, where we train in Iceland, it's hurricane strength winds. It's fucking ridiculous.

Then there was a rogue wave, or rather a large "break," that hit our two docked ships twice in a row.

OPSEC shut it all down, families were informed shit was fine but, a lot of Marines got hurt. Eleven were sent to critical care. The Icelandic troops were pressured to be quiet but, it's their home country they don't have OPSEC and don't give a *fuck.* Why? Because a boot ass officer sent those Marines into the ship to secure RHIBS and gear that was flying around in the bottom.

Jesus fucking christ

Edited with more data.

"yes I will send men in to a blender of tumbling gear while being buffeted by rough seas"

Best part? The Marines were too critical to be moved, so they left all 11 in a foreign country, the MEU continued on to Norway.

WHAT

Yeah, they got a liason working their recovery in the Icelandic hospital. A week later a Marine corps transport came and got em.

It's fucking stupid

Imagine waking up a week after getting hit in the face with a RHIB and you're in an Icelandic hospital. You don't speak Icelandic and have no idea wtf is going on until someone decides to speak English to you.

Just

why

Then in Trident Juncture, we were disrespectful cunts according to Norwegian and Swedish troops I know

yay