I think that in order for an true utopia to happen the heart of man would have to change drastically

Hitler got elected through tough times. Stalin after war.

It's instability that breeds chaos

From what have experienced... The heart of man is naturally evil so this is very unlikely

Fascism is the true utopia

I think the heart of man is shaped by his enviorment

Like hitlers

@Flash I agree,but by default it is evil

I'm unsure

oh my lord

His dad was abusive, he was inbred, his lived in an anti-semetic city and became a megalomaniac when in power.
So I would agree the environment shapes the personality.

Give a man anonymity and power over others and they will turn rotten to the core

That's why governments have restrictions. Ones that would need to restrict a leaders power. To give him something to fear and grow with, not against.

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This is why I'm federalist

Capitalism was less selfish during the cold war because it wanted less communism and so it needed to be careful in the public eye.

And this is a where the paradox lies

Give power to a man and he will become corrupt, distribut the power amongst multiple men and they will fight

There is no perfect balance

@Harry C about the Roman 2 man thing

Yes

Remember the two Egyptian siblings this was tryed with

Ummmm

Let me get the name

A boy and a girl

Basically they ended up dividing Egypt in two and turned it into a war zone

Eventually the girl one and ceased full power

Cleopatra and the other guy?

Yee

Her brother?

Really it was Julius Caesar that United the country. Because her brother killed his rival.

Yes this is true but my point still stands

And besides. That was not Roman republic.

Congratulations, @Harry C for reaching level 2!

No but I'm disputing the concept

Well no. The Egyptian way was way different.

But i ghuess we can all agree that socialism will never work

Aye?

Aye

Aye

The Roman way was a council made up of Tribunes and Patricians. Patricians represented the rich the Tribunes the poor.