Lol

there are only 3 truths in life. Death, Taxes, and DDJ is not a MGTOW

mgtow 101 as 50% pua, at least that was my impression

From what I can tell people never stop being whatever camp they were in the longest

I don't to boil up this ddj thing again, but I really find it super weird, he was SO long with tfm on the show,
that just doesn't make any fucking sense, what he did / said in his video against tfm...

I think he’s a plant

I've noticed a schism in MGTOW forming as it grows

between the hardcore community and a more casual purple pill type of community

@conker He was always an MRA and very much wanted to merge MGTOW into the cause. He’s far from being the only one to do so in just the last few years.

@Nawalter Jizney yeah, agree with that,
but the PUA->mgtow at least can grasp the female nature much easier
but have a hard time getting rid of the female validation aspect

He’s always involved in some major drama and always has specific outcomes, either that or he’s a legit psycho

I think the 21 studios thing is a red herring

but PUA is rooted in stuff that is complete nonesense and has no historical fact

men didnt use to use PUA to get a wife

It’s too easy

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon What tenants are you assigning to the “hardcore” and “purple pill” communities, respectively?

i actually started with pua as well / or found ROK as my first site
but then after a while, i was just like - wtf, why should i do all this pickup / frame / neg shit, that's not worth the time and effort - even without knowing anything mgtow XD

did men back in the 18th century use PUA to get a wife?

well..........maybe they used PUA on her father to get his permission, LOL

ehm

PUgay amirite?!

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon i will refer here to roosh,
he explained it quite good: pua is a scavenger tactic for a declining society , basically just to get sex

Roosh is a weird one

hm, i'd say he is mainly traditionalist

@Five, Seven, and Two the more hardcore side of MGTOW cant be bargained with. The purple pill side however are flaky, still likely date women, probably very supportive of PUA

and the interesting thing is, roosh didn't / doesn't attack mgtow like the other PUAs, as he probably understands the reasons behind mgtow
yeah he banged a ton of sluts, but then he said it himself, he didn't feel any pleasure, and actually felt drained,

so as a traditionalist, the sluts don't have that much value for him either

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon Let’s not pretend the men had much choice in who they married in the 1800s, either. That shit was on rails for most people by the time they were 12. Hurry up and get your own farm by 20, Timmy, you’ve got a wife and kids you’re going to get saddled with them.

If you watch his content you can tell he’s actually pretty mgtow, and yes now he wants a family life so an aspiring traditionalist

He still talks shit about mgtow though, I don’t get the disconnect

yeah, exactly, his latest streams are sort of reluctant mgtow

Economic invincibility pointed this out which is hysterical

but he can't openly use the mgtow label for himself,
that would destroy any pua credibility he's got left

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon So “monk mode” or “you’re basically a PUA”?

no

didnt word my anwer very well but thats not what I believe

You either your a loser virgin like me. Or your a pussy whipped simp like hermit

Sorry, I’m not ascribing this to you; trying to see where you see the camps being set up.

Pick one

Its actually difficult to draw the line between the camps, because on the surface they all look the same

but its just a feeling I get

Fuck or don't fuck, there's aids - Yoda