Thing is I am very black pill myself. I an not even MGTOW either, I am a progressive nihilist - unlike the neutrals, I'm not lazy and defeatist. Even if I wanted to, I can't even afford to be. My goals strongly advice against it.
I've been supporting you guys for a few years now, I don't want to end up losing hope in MGTOW like I did with egalitarianism.

whatever

the black pill is shit now

someone doesn't need to be labeled only as beta. Can it depend on situations

losing hope in mgtow ?? what does that even mean??

lol

The MGTOW philosophy.

@Seven Of Swords , what was black pill? and what is it today?

i mean just succumbing to being labeled as alpha or beta at all is bullshit

black pill is harsher than red pill

The black pill is an element of nihilism. It's a state for those entering nihilism, especially for the first time. It reveals a much more darker reality of truth than MGTOW does.

@ZODD The black pill was supposed to be a sort of hyper-aware nihilist take on things once you find out that the red pill just gets darker. You realize that the whole reproductive game is a sham and that the epistemic and psychological pitfalls cannot solve all of our human problems.

Or, WGTOW XD

A dark truth about human nature and life value.

Now its coopted by incels as just a realization that women will never want them and that all else is cope.

complete dogshit now.

Right, What should it be then instead?

WGTOW - WIGtow? Hair in head, plastic? Fake? And may- ok screw this IT HAS WOMEN IN THE TITLE

That's a load of bull. incels did not co-opt the red pill. Some of them did try though, but that does not mean it is useless.

is there a definitive encyclopedia

And its also been coopted by fascists and Nick Land types as a way to purge the earth of inferior races so that the strong will succeed.

They have been doing so with the red pill as well. Not to mention the PUAs are doing so.

pick up artists? LMSANDFACE made videos of them failing to pick up women LMAO

That's why all metaphorical pills are dogshit

Yes, The Red Pill subreddit for instance is not even a MGTOW sanctuary, it's mostly PUAs trying to pickup bitches and defile the meaning of red pill.

once a short Asian dude tries to seduce 3 girls, and they get quiet and uncomfortable, game over. You Italian plumber

I had no idea it was different from the TRP of Youtube and MGTOW.

LMS is incel fuel

wait what?

or from incel perspectives, suifuel lmao

Think about it. Who else would really care most about how they look? People that don't know if they are ugly. And guess who is more likely to be ugly? Incels, they admit it themselves. So, in order to find out how they can know if they are ugly, they watch LMS and it just ends up fueling inceldom.

Its cope, but of a different breed.

As for the black pill, yes there are some fascists trying to co-opt and corrupt it, but it still does not mean it Is useless. See, that thinking is what enables defeatism. I could do the same with the red pill because of all the stinky-ass PUAs trying to co-opt it. I could even say the same with MGTOW for the similar reasons (tradcon simps, incels, and PUAs trying to co-opt that too).

"Muh defeatism"

The black pill is suppose to be a reality of human nature and questing the true purpose of life.

Sorry, pal eveyone is defeated as soon as their silly parents decided to force them into this world.

There is no truth to the black pill...

A part of the black pill is skepticism toward all world views and beliefs.

For once you take the black pill, you realize that such fantastic notions such as "truth" or "knowledge" are simply constructs with no justification.

And there is an irony here, a paradox of sort.

The pill defeats itself, as all pills do.