Sure... Worshipped for being able to produce life. Ain't nothing wrong with that. But other than that?

If you are taking the protective instinct of men as gynocentric, thats wrong. When they go to war, they defend their property. women were their property

An arrangement that benefits the woman more than the man is gynocentric.

I mean what do women offer than being able to have kids? Do they still need to be provided for even after that phase of utility?

Now that inspires the question as to when you would consider an arrangement between a man and a woman as more beneficial for the man

Something that brings in net gain, money wise or utility wise.

Taking kids out of the equation there isn't much utility, most of what they can do has been simplified in the present.

A woman can push you to be productive and produce. Thats why i dont neccesarily think shortterm-Monogamy is to be thrown upon. Companionship and intimacy is healthy. Just dont bind yourself to anything and dont date something hard to handle

You can be productive without a woman.

You have your friends for that.

Yes, i know. I was referring to ancient times with this particular point

Well, they are also raising your kids, aren't they? Also, have you any idea what women go through in the whole process from sex 'til giving birth?

If having kids was so bad and it was a negative thing, why do women have multiple kids? The body builds pain tolerance to handle labor and their bodies are designed to do so?

Well, people who have never had kids are much happier than the ones that do have kids, so what's the point? And women make horrible parents by themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJGdw20pNgQ

@Artemis has a point there, but with our government at the moment, they are given the ability to get support even when betraying their male providers.. that explains single motherhood

Because the pain is worth it to them in the end, generally speaking.

Lol.

Horrible parents how?

Look at how single mothers are vs. how single fathers are.

Which gender do you think is the more emotional and neurotic gender? Do you want them to raise the next generation?

How do you think society is now vs. how it used to be when the father figure had some value?

The pain isn't that much. Body build pain tolerance in a woman on the months leading up to labor.

Lol, women get painkillers when giving birth btw

Just another crap women tell themselves.

C sections exist as well.

@Mysteriedingens well, yea. Women are often manipulative devils. Nothing new. That's the part of mgtow that led me here.

Being upset doesn't change it.

The best they can do is switch to another platform.

@Flushtater You should be.

Possibly some P2P platform, something that is decentralized, in the case that they come after platforms that are centralized that allow for this stuff in the name of hate speech.

Yes, redpill got quarantined on reddit a few days ago.

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath so you are suggesting men should raise the next generation (alone)?
Also, emotions certainly don't have to necessarily be in the way of a good parent. Au contraire; they can be used for a very essential ingredient in raising kids.

the only success we had recently was gettig Tommy Robinson out of prison lately.

Reasoning is much better than emotional thinking and being a requires you to do shit that is necessary even if it feels bad.

Yes, men can raise them alone. Women raise babies to being kids, after that point on from being a teen to an adult, they're better off with the father.

Things don't always get better.

I know that under certain circumstances, painkillers are available for giving birth. First of all though, they don't do _that_ much and second, the worst part are the contractions before the actual processof giving birth. There are no pain medications for that

@Artemis Their devilish nature is created by the artificial independency. @the adventures male often says that. As soon as a collapse happens, women come crawling after the most secure spot and partner

C Section has many shitty side effects

They do quite a bit and that is sufficient, not sure if they don't do that much, I mean local anesthetics are giving for surgery even.