its not a problem. im just giving you dem **pro tips**

anyway what your saying is fine and all. but the facts are still a problem. everything is exponentially more expensive now. were in a big cultural shitstorm where the values of the west are being overtaken, there are huge economic crises on the horizon. and men are basically treated like garbage. do you really want to bring a kid into that? i dont. who cares if i have a bond with the kid. the kid still has to deal with all this bullshit. at least if you adopt a kid. that kid is already here.

^ all of that

plus never bank on your kid not having autism/down syndrome/or shitty health problems like mine (pectus excavatum, polycystic kidneys)

Isn't this just avoiding the problem, isn't the goal to get through all this shitstorm?

Shitstorm is absolutely unavoidable. You are uninformed about the state of the world and what is coming. Straight up.

me? tell that to society

then you are blind

Lmao you're fucking blind then 9030

take a look at /r/collapse

so?

I still believe in the good of mankind, in everyone

what does that have to do with the fact that we have limited resources and the world will become uninhabitable soon?

plenty of people lead happy lives in nazi germany. it was still a terrible place. plenty of people led good lives in communist russia. still there were millions starving.

yeah, I hear that

none of these statements justify bringing a child into this world

shame on you if you do so, straight up

I'm just struggling in giving up the idea entirely, it's a divide

if you want to go ahead. as long as you recognize your responsibility to it and can give it strength and a good start. thats how i see it

i still will see you as an absolute asshole for creating another kid when there's millions of starving orphans. because of your gEnEtIc LeGaCy that no one gives a shit about except your parents.

in response to that. again. changing your life and being a better person has little to do with brining another person into the world to go through the same shit.

@Sam Amari No need to get angry at me, you don't know me or my family's story, dont judge so quickly

great. good for her. i have no interest in that. not in todays world

its up to you to decide your interest in having kids. i dont disparage you for it. nor do i applaud you.

this is still all anecdoatal storys. im talking about the facts. whats happenening

i will judge anyone who brings a kid into the world in 2018

i just want people to be informed. then make their own decisions based on that

I've heard one of the primary arguments against it is the resource drain, but what about in the future, when resources aren't a problem? will you give up your mgtow ways? or do you see it as a lifelong journey...

thats your life experience. its not mine. i wont speak on my life experience and tell you about my life and how that contributes to my decision to have a kid. ill give you the facts and let you decide

what about the future when resources aren't a problem? what reality are you living in dude?

why do you think we're going to magically fix everything with technology?

@Sam Amari I grow my own food

so?

that's not going to stop global temperature rise

For a capable person, resources aren't a problem

and also. you could work and earn money. or you could just keep playing the lottery and gambling. thats another way. however it isnt automatically better. you have to look at the facts.

lmao why are ou talking to these guys @shadowlessnexus

they have to be 16 or something. so naive.

@Sam Amari because i like discussion and debates

I program robots for a living

ugh