shame on you if you do so, straight up

I'm just struggling in giving up the idea entirely, it's a divide

if you want to go ahead. as long as you recognize your responsibility to it and can give it strength and a good start. thats how i see it

i still will see you as an absolute asshole for creating another kid when there's millions of starving orphans. because of your gEnEtIc LeGaCy that no one gives a shit about except your parents.

in response to that. again. changing your life and being a better person has little to do with brining another person into the world to go through the same shit.

@Sam Amari No need to get angry at me, you don't know me or my family's story, dont judge so quickly

great. good for her. i have no interest in that. not in todays world

its up to you to decide your interest in having kids. i dont disparage you for it. nor do i applaud you.

this is still all anecdoatal storys. im talking about the facts. whats happenening

i will judge anyone who brings a kid into the world in 2018

i just want people to be informed. then make their own decisions based on that

I've heard one of the primary arguments against it is the resource drain, but what about in the future, when resources aren't a problem? will you give up your mgtow ways? or do you see it as a lifelong journey...

thats your life experience. its not mine. i wont speak on my life experience and tell you about my life and how that contributes to my decision to have a kid. ill give you the facts and let you decide

what about the future when resources aren't a problem? what reality are you living in dude?

why do you think we're going to magically fix everything with technology?

@Sam Amari I grow my own food

so?

that's not going to stop global temperature rise

For a capable person, resources aren't a problem

and also. you could work and earn money. or you could just keep playing the lottery and gambling. thats another way. however it isnt automatically better. you have to look at the facts.

lmao why are ou talking to these guys @shadowlessnexus

they have to be 16 or something. so naive.

@Sam Amari because i like discussion and debates

I program robots for a living

ugh

why count on it being easy?

for every winner there has to be plenty of losers

why do you think you are going to be the winner?

optimism bias

plan to be the loser. not the winner

and work with that. then you can be happy. and if you do win. thats just a bonus

@9574 bro, mainstream news is reporting that we have 12 years to act before catastrophic global climate change. that's in the mainstream news now. Jimmy Kimmell and shit.

im in the computer science field

also i agree sam. whats the point of that statement?

what's my point? you guys are saying shit like "for a capable person, resources aren't a problem" and "society isn't that bad". you are insanely naive.

ok but how does climate change effect that

im talking about the problems in society

climate change affects absolutely everything.

why is it naive? I can grow food in a bunker if I have to

there's no "society" if we cannot grow food

man, i wish i could be that naie