I said traditionalism relies on censorship to survive, and a monarchy helped achieved this. An era of kings and queens, or dynasty of emperors, helped maintain this.

There was also the hard patriarchy that used to exist,

I'm not talking about the Orthodox Church, and you've not even really justified it's relevance

You think many people would just cater or continue obeying traditional values if there was not so much pressure from the government or social religious influence? The best way for someone to obey a policy is to make them fear it's enforcers. A feared power is often the most effective power. Tradcons used fear and intimidation to keep others in line. Shaming men who are single; shaming homosexuals, especially gays; shaming those with disabilities such as autism; shaming those who are self-aware and self-independent.

Why do you think MGTOW is even able to exist? If traditionalist power was still dominant and as effective, we'd might have been arrested for even discussing MGTOW.

Best hentai quote: "This isnt any ordinary penis, it's the root of lust!"

wut

MGTOW is a coping mechanism.

mgtow is a survival strategy

It's how men cope in a modern feminist society

@The Tradesman I see it more as a thriving philosophy

https://invidio.us/watch?v=Koh04eht6Bo

Plenty of men want to have families, but because they know how absurd our current society is towards men, they have to go MGTOW

Watch this and then you'll agree it's a survival strategy

I used to want a family, but mgtow showed me that my greatest enemy was tribalism. I never even liked sharing my bed! How the hell was I going to share every second of my being?

lol

To quote Lord Xenon of Disgaea: "I am a being of solitude."

Ok, time to ditch the phone for the keyboard, vodka is setting in

So fucking what?!? Gaming is also a cope, yet the trads still try to censor that. They try to censor porn, fetishes, violent entertainment, and any means that allow one to isolate themselves and function better alone. They want people like me to suffer in order to "man up!"

They'd rather see men suffer than find escapes or go their own way.

join the club fam @Roundabout Lout XD

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Solitude vs. loneliness. I FUCKING love solitude

Exactly, I love solitude too, But traditionalists hate it.

I saw what it did to my father, and don't want the same.

If I want to hang out with my friends, I call or text them and see if they want to hang out

My friends who have families are a lot harder to do so with for obvious reasons

I had to ditch real life friends. Between the drugs, stubborn beliefs rooted in gynocentrism, self loathing, and using every one around them for various types of resources, I bowed out and went monk years before taking the red pill

A lot of us discovered MGTOW in different ways before actually knowing what it was

I'll admit I still hoped for a gf during that time, but was strong enough to say no to obvious trouble....at least before it was too late.

Just that first sentence makes me cringe now :D

What heck is with all the futa stuff on the TFM chat

People being jackasses

This is why westerners suck dick at Otaku Culture.

It's takes a lot of guts and steel to go red pill. Even much more of that it takes to go black pill.

But when you are at the black pill route, you can see a better picture of what's wrong with our society as a whole. The red pill still gives a bias as it seems to just view women as the key factor and gynocentrism as the root, but it's more than that.

I respectfully disagree, those who go black pill often change their minds once a crazy chick jumps on their 🍆

Bullshit! I hope you are not confusing black pill with bloody incels.

lol

They are two vaslty different factions.

Keep it civil gentlemen, we are here to share and learn not fight.