Or some believe in unicorns

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The question becomes, why even improve yourself?

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That is for the individual to answer.

I do it because it gives me fufillment

I would do it because I don't want to end up broke Lol.

and it allows me to leave behind a better world for men, through charity and through passing down knowledge

Possibly better health.

That makes sense, i can see how MGTOW is a retreat from feminism and society that nutures toxic mindsets.

@JDB Man of culture to mention dunning-kruger effect. I like this one, so true today

@KD no because he is not making his path in life any more defined or positive

He may be achieving a goal, but he as a physical being, is no better for it

Is his health improved by doing this?

Is his mind improved?

Are his skills improved? (this one perhaps)

Those are just examples I have of bettering yourself

WOW?

World Of Warcraft

Hell no i use my drawing skills in surgery

@KD it's about things that add quality to your life and help you know yourself better so you can live with a purpose

U wanna see my nunchuck skillz ?? 🤪

@KD I agree with that point

But if that is someone's goal then who are you to tell them to do something else?

Well, I like learning new shit for the sake of learning new shit, I just want to know stuff, it doesn't improve me but it fulfills me.

Again what are you getting at?

I thought the context was the fundamental tenants of mgtow and how self improvement has anything to do with it.

I smell nihilism

I would agree that acquiring skills that are never to be used isn't exactly improvement, but it may be fulfilment

@KD but if learning knowledge that you will never use takes away from time you would be doing something self destructive then it is a positive, it's a personal thing

Okay well here's MY definition of self improvement

Are you making changes that improve your Quality of Life

if yes? You are improving your condition

Are you making changes that improve your physical health, your mental health, etc.? Yes? You are improving your condition

I see MGTOW more as a rally point, or a lighthouse. It's a light that attracts the attention of men and warns the of the dangerous rocks that is feminism. This light attracts all different types of men, all logical trying to figure out what the issue is. And a lot of men will blame themselves thinking they need to self improve or self actualize.

@KD so if a guy stops banging H to level up his WOW character I will call it an improvement

That is not true

KD

Just because something works well does not mean it cannot be improved

@KingGiraffasauragreed not true

Are you saying that people should just be honest about having issues?