is there a debate VC?

It's to improve

Are you mgtow? @KD

@KD having the knowledge to make better decisions is the improvement, do you not see having better judgement as a change for the better?

So you're not MGTOW

You're red pill

Or better yet, you haven't accepted one of the core tenants of MGTOW, which is AWALT

I guess I get KD's point. Self improvement only comes after, primarily it's a just response to things. Not something that is inclusive of it. At least that's what I think he's trying to get at.

Or some believe in unicorns

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The question becomes, why even improve yourself?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That is for the individual to answer.

I do it because it gives me fufillment

I would do it because I don't want to end up broke Lol.

and it allows me to leave behind a better world for men, through charity and through passing down knowledge

Possibly better health.

That makes sense, i can see how MGTOW is a retreat from feminism and society that nutures toxic mindsets.

@JDB Man of culture to mention dunning-kruger effect. I like this one, so true today

@KD no because he is not making his path in life any more defined or positive

He may be achieving a goal, but he as a physical being, is no better for it

Is his health improved by doing this?

Is his mind improved?

Are his skills improved? (this one perhaps)

Those are just examples I have of bettering yourself

WOW?

World Of Warcraft

Hell no i use my drawing skills in surgery

@KD it's about things that add quality to your life and help you know yourself better so you can live with a purpose

U wanna see my nunchuck skillz ?? 🤪

@KD I agree with that point

But if that is someone's goal then who are you to tell them to do something else?

Well, I like learning new shit for the sake of learning new shit, I just want to know stuff, it doesn't improve me but it fulfills me.

Again what are you getting at?

I thought the context was the fundamental tenants of mgtow and how self improvement has anything to do with it.

I smell nihilism

I would agree that acquiring skills that are never to be used isn't exactly improvement, but it may be fulfilment

@KD but if learning knowledge that you will never use takes away from time you would be doing something self destructive then it is a positive, it's a personal thing

Okay well here's MY definition of self improvement

Are you making changes that improve your Quality of Life

if yes? You are improving your condition