Telling? @KD

and KD, MGTOW IS about self improvement, one way or another

Why don't we get married?

Why don't we cohabitate?

lol

It's primarily a response to how things are in the current year, that's all it is.

Because it's a raw deal, basically, right?

@KingGiraffasaur agreed because a red pill man > blue pill mangina

mgtow makeup

A lot of guys focus on the self improvement aspects is that, guys need to find something to do with their lives.

i have to say, your making a lot of sense @KD can i ask what MGTOW means to you?

*several people are typing*

So if we are avoiding marriage and cohabitation, that would imply that we are trying not to REGRESS

Because if you get married, divorce, and lose half your money, that is regression

Self improvement part the way I see it is just a consequence of going their own, not a part of it by itself, I guess that's what he's getting at.

@KD learning to defend yourself IS a form of improvement, this is all symantics now

Unless you're telling me that being MGTOW is all about being content with mediocrity, the only other option is to PROGRESS

is there a debate VC?

It's to improve

Are you mgtow? @KD

@KD having the knowledge to make better decisions is the improvement, do you not see having better judgement as a change for the better?

So you're not MGTOW

You're red pill

Or better yet, you haven't accepted one of the core tenants of MGTOW, which is AWALT

I guess I get KD's point. Self improvement only comes after, primarily it's a just response to things. Not something that is inclusive of it. At least that's what I think he's trying to get at.

Or some believe in unicorns

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The question becomes, why even improve yourself?

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That is for the individual to answer.

I do it because it gives me fufillment

I would do it because I don't want to end up broke Lol.

and it allows me to leave behind a better world for men, through charity and through passing down knowledge

Possibly better health.

That makes sense, i can see how MGTOW is a retreat from feminism and society that nutures toxic mindsets.

@JDB Man of culture to mention dunning-kruger effect. I like this one, so true today

@KD no because he is not making his path in life any more defined or positive

He may be achieving a goal, but he as a physical being, is no better for it

Is his health improved by doing this?

Is his mind improved?

Are his skills improved? (this one perhaps)