@Null I agree but some people do really well on the vegan diet. I encourage personal experimentation. I personally always felt mentally tired and physically weak but I definitely felt better in a lot of ways too.

When I started researching how plants protect themselves and essentially poison us, I started questioning the way I was eating.

I did vegan for 1 month, paleo for about 1.5 years and in general vegetarian because I barely ate meat growing up just chicken occasionally. I notice a big difference by eating red meat. Idk if it because I never had it growing up literally ate my first burger at 16 and gave me so much energy the next day at XC practice. Vegan is cool cuz of the whole save animal thing. It is a good cause but when I was on it I felt like i was slowly dying because I was depriving myself of nutrients. I am one of those skinny kunts that would struggle to put on weight because I would eat shit and not gain. I eat meat to feel nourished. I am putting on mass without trying. Not all calories are the same. Shits a myth. If your body cant absorb its a waste of time energy and money. So far, I have been doing this for a solid month and I am very satisfied with how I feel. Literally different person by just upping meat intake.

@Madhawk1995 Good! I’m glad you discovered that. I found the same. Plants don’t want to be eaten and commit chemical warfare. Animals that are killed lost that battle so there isn’t the same risk. Now, factory farming is fucked. I want to buy a shit load of land and just raise animals. No stripping the top soil to feed them. Simply let them live.

Factory farming isn’t good for us or for the animals. The real issue is the government subsidizing grains over animals.

On a tangentiative note are there any Gojira fans in the room?

@machtyn any links on the chemical warfare? sounds interesting.

@MufflePuff jalapenos are a great example. The spicy flavor is off putting preventing animals from eating them..... until we came along

How does it relate to humans?

Chemical warfare sounds like it does damage eating it.

@Madhawk1995 Asians are incorporating more red meat and they have noticed increase in stature and overall musculature. Not all protein and vitamins are created equal.

@MufflePuff Well there is all the pesticides and GMO's for one. Although a lot of those pesticides can be washed off and are supposed to have tiny half-lives.

right.

@MufflePuff due to selective pressures (animals and insects) plants that live pass on their genes. Adaptations help those plants survive, those adaptations get stronger. Chemical reactions with HCI (stomach acid) would prevent others from eating more of it because it either kills them or makes the offender extremely weak

@MufflePuff Yeah Amber Ohearn is decent but there are a bunch that discuss it. I can try to find it.

@Null so eating plants makes your stomach weak?

@machtyn can you PM me a link? I'm curious about the research myself.

@MufflePuff certain plants, some plants want to be eaten to spread their seeds (fruit).

Ok

Lectins are the main issue.

Sounds familiar, what's the issue with them?

The vegetarian myth goes into it as well. Ironically, the author of the vegetarian myth is a radical feminist lol.

lol

They’re literally anti-nutrients blocking absorption of nutrients we need.

My research concluded that a vegetarian/vegan diet is good to cleanse the body, but not optimal long-term. That it should be used in conjunction with a regular meat diet.

Like in moderation.

Look at our guts compared to all other animals - they’re tiny compared to other apes. Apes spend all day eating whereas humans don’t need much. Our stomachs can digest raw meat within an hour whereas vegetables will take much longer.

Yeah I think I'd heard that as well.

I cant be a vegan

Meat. Is too delicious

Exactly, Kazemaru

And in my case helps control my weight

I lean to meat and I gain weight very slowly

I cant be a vegan. Milk alternatives are terrible

I've saw cases of people that went full vegan, and started gaining weight fast

Elephants are vegans

Primates are onivorous

@InstallGentoo definitely a must-watch.

I could easily be a pescatarian.

Fyi, dont buy the "shades of vegetarians" stuff. It's less than 20 years old.
Vegetarian: does not eat meat or animal products.
Vegan: animal abuse/slaughter activist and a form of terrorist.

But I think I'll do fish 90% of the time and other meats sparingly; instead of swearing them off.