that would be the same as saying someone can naturally be shy... REALLY? Shyness comes from an element of fear, and being born with fear doesn't count as natural

I have been losing all my beta traits thru the years

Nah, I think most of our fears are instilled in us

most of our fear is irrational

but yes, be scared of poisonous spiders, venomous snakes, etc

If I saw Trump I'd ask him for $500M while everyone was groveling before him hoping for a glance or just happy to be in his presence

true about fear

Anyone suggest some solid books on any genre (non fiction)?

Human nature?

I find stuff about human nature fascinating

and some people have a familial or generational disposition towards fear as well-- some families having anxiety and panic disorders running thru them

helps me understand others, and myself better

True...

@machtyn ANY book on non-fiction?

Yeah

@Sigma same here

Anything by Robert Greene really

Seduction is hit or miss - not for MGTOWs, but it's useful knowledge

Yeah, I've been reading a ton of Robert Greene. I am reading some Mises books now.

A lot of PUAs are into seductions

I love me some economics.

@machtyn how about this one: https://www.amazon.com/Regions-Captivity-2016-Ana-Ferrell-ebook/dp/B01CAJ131I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543345891&sr=8-1&keywords=ana+mendez+ferrell+books

I am going back and forth with minanarchist and ancap.

never was into seducing (TRICKING) women

@ValleyAnt I'm not really into religion that deep.

I always cared too much for women to trick them

@machtyn you asked

No, you're right 😉 Thanks for your suggestion!

I have no reason to trick women

thats why these idiot women TURN ME OFF so much-- cuz they are far more capable than they act... and they are far more human than they've become

what they see is what they get for the most part

well seduction is trickery

plain and simple

exactly

It's good to know about Seduction in case people try it against you

Same thing with manipulation, learn manipulation tactics too

That way you can prevent bad shit from happeneing

I hate it when women ask me for small favors they could easily do themselves

here's non-seduction:

Man: Hi
Woman: Hey
Man: You're pretty and I'd like to have sex with you... maybe after we sit and chat a bit... if you want
Woman: ...I guess. I want that too. But let's sort of go slow, okay?
Man: I just want sex
Woman: Okay, hold on. Let me get my purse

And voi-frigging-la, you have honesty right there and no games or deception or seduction

or anybody for that matter

yeah