they can seem contradictory but they work well together, making me diverse enough to be content in any situation (even ones I hate)

I am definitely Sigma but I also love people.

I used to tell my friends that I can take a roadtrip alone, with one other person, with a few others, or with hundreds of others and that in each instance I'd be perfectly fine

all would be good for me except different flavors-- like plain vanilla ice cream from several different companies: breyers, hagen daz, blue bell etc

not like different vanilla flavors: praline pecan, cookies n cream, moose tracks, etc

well Sigmas love people

I find a lot of these types overlap each other

A lot of betas have some Alpha traits

just not as much as betas (yuck)

yes

and alphas arent alpha in all situations

I used to think I was a beta with a lot of alpha traits, but things weren't lining up

Definitely not

Alpha in the gym, beta at work

my dad was abusive and wanted to turn me into a beta

yeah that happens

in that case all men have both alpha and beta

I dont believe any male comes out the womb a beta

I believe you have more outgoing and then quieter men, but not betas

I think I'm mostly sigma, but I have traits from others as well. some alpha, some beta, and maybe some from other types too

that would be the same as saying someone can naturally be shy... REALLY? Shyness comes from an element of fear, and being born with fear doesn't count as natural

I have been losing all my beta traits thru the years

Nah, I think most of our fears are instilled in us

most of our fear is irrational

but yes, be scared of poisonous spiders, venomous snakes, etc

If I saw Trump I'd ask him for $500M while everyone was groveling before him hoping for a glance or just happy to be in his presence

true about fear

Anyone suggest some solid books on any genre (non fiction)?

Human nature?

I find stuff about human nature fascinating

and some people have a familial or generational disposition towards fear as well-- some families having anxiety and panic disorders running thru them

helps me understand others, and myself better

True...

@machtyn ANY book on non-fiction?

Yeah

@Sigma same here

Anything by Robert Greene really

Seduction is hit or miss - not for MGTOWs, but it's useful knowledge

Yeah, I've been reading a ton of Robert Greene. I am reading some Mises books now.

A lot of PUAs are into seductions

I love me some economics.