"fulfilled" is just a way of being a hedonist without admitting it

No

Hedonism is pleasure

Not happiness

yeah

"everything is hedonism"

so you're drawing a distinction between valid feeling good and invalid feeling good

and saying to pursue valid feeling good

that's just hedonism with rules

so what we should embrace masochism and depression to avoid being hedonistic?

no

>feeling good because your life is good and you have loved ones around you
Vs
>abusing chemical substances of physical effects to feel temporary pleasure

we should pursue right reason

@Sepoi the end goal is the same you just are suggesting a more strategic method

No its not

If you guys made me king you wouldnt have to do all this arguing. I could just decide for you

The end goal is true happiness

you're just saying that hedonism is not an optimal strategy for feeling good

no

catboy ur submissive u cant be kind

*king

because it's temporary and illusory

>feeling good
>being truly happy

@Deleted User grrrrrrr

lol

owned

and providing a better strategy to being permanently and "truly" happy

at its core you still just wanna feel good

Still not hedonism

Pleasure vs happiness

you legitimately are not listening to me at all

hedonism is placing pleasure above other things like values, morals, reason, etc. pleasure or happiness can be experienced without being hedonistic

Well we both know I know how you work with arguments

```so you're drawing a distinction between valid feeling good and invalid feeling good
and saying to pursue valid feeling good
that's just hedonism with rules```

The difference between hedonism and fulfillment is how the happiness is achieved through each one

I recognize your pleasure vs happiness distinction

i'm not arguing against it

catboy gets it

it's a difference in strategy

not in goal

all you're saying is that the hedonist is too short-sighted