Message from @Eris
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If you guys made me king you wouldnt have to do all this arguing. I could just decide for you
The end goal is true happiness
you're just saying that hedonism is not an optimal strategy for feeling good
no
catboy ur submissive u cant be kind
*king
because it's temporary and illusory
>feeling good
>being truly happy
@Deleted User grrrrrrr
lol
owned
and providing a better strategy to being permanently and "truly" happy
at its core you still just wanna feel good
Still not hedonism
Pleasure vs happiness
you legitimately are not listening to me at all
hedonism is placing pleasure above other things like values, morals, reason, etc. pleasure or happiness can be experienced without being hedonistic
Well we both know I know how you work with arguments
```so you're drawing a distinction between valid feeling good and invalid feeling good
and saying to pursue valid feeling good
that's just hedonism with rules```
The difference between hedonism and fulfillment is how the happiness is achieved through each one
i'm not arguing against it
catboy gets it
it's a difference in strategy
not in goal
all you're saying is that the hedonist is too short-sighted
and should pursue a better strategy
And yet hedonism, in its philosophical goal is living life with the entire purpose of feeling pleasure
whereas you live life with th eentire purpose of feeling happy
sorry i do not see a significant difference here
Of becoming fulfilled
you still just want to feel good
Hedonism is usually a more short term pleasure that leads to emptiness though
i just wanna grill for heaven's sake
that's a difference of strategy
not goal
"Pleasure" and "Happiness" are both kinds of "Feel good."
All you're saying is that one is better
Yes
One is clearly better
living for feelings is dumb