Message from @Deleted User
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your end goal is still to feel good
Your end goal is to be fulfilled
you just think that most routes to hedonism don't truly make you feel good
Hedonism is pleasure
Most of the problems of capitalism emerged because of industrialization
"fulfilled" is just a way of being a hedonist without admitting it
No
Hedonism is pleasure
Not happiness
yeah
"everything is hedonism"
so you're drawing a distinction between valid feeling good and invalid feeling good
and saying to pursue valid feeling good
that's just hedonism with rules
so what we should embrace masochism and depression to avoid being hedonistic?
no
>feeling good because your life is good and you have loved ones around you
Vs
>abusing chemical substances of physical effects to feel temporary pleasure
we should pursue right reason
@Sepoi the end goal is the same you just are suggesting a more strategic method
No its not
The end goal is true happiness
you're just saying that hedonism is not an optimal strategy for feeling good
no
catboy ur submissive u cant be kind
*king
because it's temporary and illusory
>feeling good
>being truly happy
@Deleted User grrrrrrr
lol
owned
and providing a better strategy to being permanently and "truly" happy
at its core you still just wanna feel good
Still not hedonism
Pleasure vs happiness
you legitimately are not listening to me at all
hedonism is placing pleasure above other things like values, morals, reason, etc. pleasure or happiness can be experienced without being hedonistic
Well we both know I know how you work with arguments
```so you're drawing a distinction between valid feeling good and invalid feeling good
and saying to pursue valid feeling good
that's just hedonism with rules```
The difference between hedonism and fulfillment is how the happiness is achieved through each one
I recognize your pleasure vs happiness distinction