partially right

nope

Fulfillment is done through living a truly happy life with a family and kids

totally right

@Deleted User shes right

capitalism without industrialization does not create consumerism

partially right

@Sepoi that's dumb

primitvism is dumb tho

How so

Imagine taking estrogen every morning and being an anprim

because it's just hedonism with extra rules

It's not hedonism

your end goal is still to feel good

Your end goal is to be fulfilled

you just think that most routes to hedonism don't truly make you feel good

Hedonism is pleasure

Most of the problems of capitalism emerged because of industrialization

"fulfilled" is just a way of being a hedonist without admitting it

No

Hedonism is pleasure

Not happiness

yeah

"everything is hedonism"

so you're drawing a distinction between valid feeling good and invalid feeling good

and saying to pursue valid feeling good

that's just hedonism with rules

so what we should embrace masochism and depression to avoid being hedonistic?

no

>feeling good because your life is good and you have loved ones around you
Vs
>abusing chemical substances of physical effects to feel temporary pleasure

we should pursue right reason

@Sepoi the end goal is the same you just are suggesting a more strategic method

No its not

If you guys made me king you wouldnt have to do all this arguing. I could just decide for you

The end goal is true happiness

you're just saying that hedonism is not an optimal strategy for feeling good

no

catboy ur submissive u cant be kind

*king

because it's temporary and illusory

>feeling good
>being truly happy