@Benjamin Henry do you have a better way to do this than earlier?

@SuperHeroDeluxe of course i agree

i don't have high hopes for it

i still dont see any results though, and i doubt even if it did eliminate people on welfare, those people will vote to get it back in the following years

that we have data for

of past programs to get rid of welfare and then a reaction to put it back

not really data, more like individual cases in the past

i believe it is possible to do this sort of thing and not slide back as long as we make sure there is legislation to interfere with sliding back

i was born and raised in california, i am pretty sure it would be impossible to accomplish there, i'll give ya that

okay so atleast in california, if we cannot get rid of it, or lessen it, can we atleast give people the ability to choose where to spend it and not government mandate only certain items

spit it out blade

i have hopes we can accomplish these things because there's been a lot of "thatll never happen" good things going on the last 3 years

@SuperHeroDeluxe FAIR

like gun sanctuaries

10 years ago i would never have thought states would put into law to not cooperate with federal law

@SuperHeroDeluxe would be easier with increased crime punishments

i don't think far future punishments stop people who are using crack

@SuperHeroDeluxe it will remove them from the system and enable the passing of legislation you want to be approved

i think that prisons for violent offenders is mostly useful for giving those people a time-out until their testosterone levels lower. keep them locked up until their mid-30s and they slow down a lot with the impulsive stuff

@SuperHeroDeluxe and then they get out in their mid 30s and have children who have similar impluse control problems at a young age and perpetuate the cycle

we could go on all day with the possible "what about"'s

and then they are hurt by society and will vote (atleast in florida now) for democrat liberal redistribution

get them out of society, keep them out, fix the problem with the legislative process and ease the people in the cycle off of it by passing your legislation

@ArawnBlade speak my dude, i keep seeing ya type, we are nice i swear

i prefer less legislation, i'd like to see more removed

we did very well with immigration before we stared up with the welfare systems

@SuperHeroDeluxe yea thats fair, but what i really meant was that there would be legislation passed in your state/federal house which will remove the welfare

id directly go after what's enabling the welfare system. our legal system should be about giving the government rights, not taking away ones they just took for themselves

(or that we voted for them to take)

Prison tends to exaggerates certain qualities that perpetuate a negative cultural force (such as racial tribalism); they can still attain Welfare and tend to have families or become part of circles that share their views. With the current way the gov is set, legislators and local services don't quite align.

@SuperHeroDeluxe can you give me an example

i'd vote in some crazy person even, one that wasn't shy about kneecapping welfare in general

example: the constitution

the constitution is a document about all the things the government is not allowed to touch. all laws made by the legislative process are fair game after that

the consitution is about what the government CAN do.

it lays everything out clearly, if it's not in there, hands off

No, it's about what it can't

it is definitly about what it cant

Shall NOT be infringed

something is unconstitutional if the constitution doesn't lay it could clearly

that is the exact opposite