i feel all welfare can be done the way it used to be done, by religious institutions. get the government out of it

@SuperHeroDeluxe how would you go about getting this achomplished

cutting the programs and people will rise up to deal with it

look at what happened when the Meals On Wheels program had some cuts, it actually became better off after people realized meals on wheels could use some help

@SuperHeroDeluxe who will give you the votes to cut welfare? i dont see the boomers and elderly giving up on theirs, i also do not see disabled people giving up theirs or voting for you. even if you did every single one of those people would go out and vote the next election to reverse it

in michigan, in january, people have to work to keep benefits unless they're actually disabled to the point that they can't

I think you could probably put a chart of social program spending up against a chart of suicide rates and let the conversation work itself out 🤷‍♂️

that's a start in the right direction, people who just won't work won't be qualified for food and medicaid handouts

@SuperHeroDeluxe there are many individuals which go around and end up just applying to different places in order to keep their welfare, it is easier and less time consuming, is michigan having a policy to stop those?

we have a lot of leftards here in michigan, but we still passed that action

@SuperHeroDeluxe if i assume correct, they will continue to be "searching for work"

yeah, i hate that part

so nothing will change

if they can prove they're looking, they can stay on it

some of them aren't that motivated

it'll chip down the welfare a bit

@Brue that's still better than just letting them sit at home and collect

i'm not a defeatist with things like this, a move in the right direction is better than nothing

@Benjamin Henry i agree, but i asked about cutting welfare entirely, i dont see that as getting passed at all, ever

if one state would do it and showed really positive results, that could be an awesome thing

That's why I suggested the promotion of personal charity

You're far more likely to make a legitimate effort if you actually know who gave you the money

im not sure what yo're pointing out @Brue

@SuperHeroDeluxe hold on one state has not shown any results yet

if a state did that, and could point at improvements, other legislatures might join in

@Benjamin Henry do you have a better way to do this than earlier?

@SuperHeroDeluxe of course i agree

i don't have high hopes for it

i still dont see any results though, and i doubt even if it did eliminate people on welfare, those people will vote to get it back in the following years

that we have data for

of past programs to get rid of welfare and then a reaction to put it back

not really data, more like individual cases in the past

i believe it is possible to do this sort of thing and not slide back as long as we make sure there is legislation to interfere with sliding back

i was born and raised in california, i am pretty sure it would be impossible to accomplish there, i'll give ya that

okay so atleast in california, if we cannot get rid of it, or lessen it, can we atleast give people the ability to choose where to spend it and not government mandate only certain items

spit it out blade

i have hopes we can accomplish these things because there's been a lot of "thatll never happen" good things going on the last 3 years

@SuperHeroDeluxe FAIR

like gun sanctuaries

10 years ago i would never have thought states would put into law to not cooperate with federal law

@SuperHeroDeluxe would be easier with increased crime punishments