Message from @calman21

Discord ID: 652396672957284373


2019-12-06 06:24:50 UTC  

of course not. Economists are in the business of making determinations against certainties or uncertainties, not guarantees

2019-12-06 06:25:10 UTC  

but make a case

2019-12-06 06:25:32 UTC  

The entire point of UBI is similar to what goes on in Alaska, rather than the money just going to the government it goes to the citizens

2019-12-06 06:25:45 UTC  

oh jesus fuck, the worst person in the country to bitch about chumming up with war criminals

2019-12-06 06:25:53 UTC  

great, now no one will care

2019-12-06 06:26:01 UTC  

thank you, you devil

2019-12-06 06:26:34 UTC  

Alaska does this with the oil companies up there, the governor basically said "well we have to tax them more, do you want the money or should it be turned over to the feds"

2019-12-06 06:26:46 UTC  

Alaskans presently get 2k a year from oil money

2019-12-06 06:27:12 UTC  

This would have to be more heavily considered as automation starts to do away with more and more jobs

2019-12-06 06:27:30 UTC  

wonder how Texas doesn't get that from its oil and gold infrastructure

2019-12-06 06:27:32 UTC  

Unarmed security, food service, trucking, clerical work and call center work etc.

2019-12-06 06:28:40 UTC  

Trucking is the most populated industry in the country and that industry is seeing the predawn glow of automation and will be largely automated for OTR operations, local jobs will still exist but thats up in the air with stores doing more direct deliveries from DCs

2019-12-06 06:29:21 UTC  

Food service would be laughably easy to automate and so would call centers and clerical jobs

2019-12-06 06:29:23 UTC  

Acounting

2019-12-06 06:29:25 UTC  

Etc.

2019-12-06 06:29:47 UTC  

As the digital era advances our service economy will disappear in favor of an information economy

2019-12-06 06:30:08 UTC  

I am somewhat insulated from this as a comp science major but not everyone can be one

2019-12-06 06:30:34 UTC  

So do we just let the feds scoop up all that money in corporate taxes or do we do what alaska did?

2019-12-06 06:30:52 UTC  

Yeah, dad being a software engineer doesn't hurt

2019-12-06 06:31:11 UTC  

Where the oil companies pay a dividend to the citizens rather than higher taxes

2019-12-06 06:31:27 UTC  

Okay, so first, so if the government is in such little need of taxes that they are actually giving tax money to the citizenry, why don't they just tax the citizens at 0% and make the companies pay for everything instead of UBI?

2019-12-06 06:31:31 UTC  

Of course current pricing models will completely collapse when wages are eliminated

2019-12-06 06:31:37 UTC  

maybe oil companies could directly subsidize gas prices

2019-12-06 06:31:55 UTC  

or is that too short a circuit

2019-12-06 06:33:00 UTC  

U are assuming that if a company CAN eliminate a job in place of automation, they will

2019-12-06 06:33:33 UTC  

Why did Ford begin paying his workers a higher wage?

2019-12-06 06:33:37 UTC  

If its a net financial benefit, yes

2019-12-06 06:34:05 UTC  

corporations are machines, we created them to fulfil one purpose, create wealth

2019-12-06 06:34:24 UTC  

It might of not been ford, I am dumb, general motors,

2019-12-06 06:34:24 UTC  

for good or ill, that's what they'll do

2019-12-06 06:35:03 UTC  

because General Motors is on thin fucking ice after the.... fuck, was it the first or second recession

2019-12-06 06:35:39 UTC  

Who did Trump pardon that's supposedly a war criminal?

2019-12-06 06:35:39 UTC  

whichever one was during Obama's first term

2019-12-06 06:36:14 UTC  

Idk, my point here is that the owner of general motors began paying his workers a far higher wage because he needed people to be able to buy his cars

2019-12-06 06:36:23 UTC  

off the top of my head I'd guess the Gallagher case

2019-12-06 06:36:42 UTC  

Im speaking of the past, like in the 20's

2019-12-06 06:37:04 UTC  

Oh yeah, that Manning dude.

2019-12-06 06:37:08 UTC  

well no fucking shit, in the 20s you had basic bitch manual operated machines

2019-12-06 06:37:16 UTC  

fast food is def gonna keep automating as min wage increases

2019-12-06 06:37:22 UTC  

oh the kid who reported on civi killings from US military drone strikes?

2019-12-06 06:37:25 UTC  

Oil companies are already lowering gas prices. Indirectly. The shale revolution has altered the entire crack chain so lite ends (like gas) have become cheaper because shale produces more of them.