Message from @Tiberius

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2019-12-06 06:21:01 UTC  

maybe

2019-12-06 06:21:25 UTC  

though if the fusion tech tree bears fruit, maybe not

2019-12-06 06:21:52 UTC  

Whatever economic illiterates want to say capitalism is the best economic system we presently have

2019-12-06 06:22:30 UTC  

Although it will be interesting to see how A.I. changes that

2019-12-06 06:22:32 UTC  

best is a bit of a stretch. I'd simply call it the one with the lowest failure rate and most outwardly attractive

2019-12-06 06:22:49 UTC  

Thus meaning the best we have currently ^

2019-12-06 06:23:17 UTC  

I'm not comfortable calling a system best when its so easily manipulated into boom-bust cycles

2019-12-06 06:23:33 UTC  

The fact that it has lifted the entire western world out of destitution and poverty helps its case

2019-12-06 06:24:00 UTC  

I don't even think we know the mechanisms by which a capitalist economy fully functions

2019-12-06 06:24:17 UTC  

Most conservatives should be in favor of A.I. and UBI as A.I. progresses

2019-12-06 06:24:20 UTC  

like, from a manipulation perspective

2019-12-06 06:24:47 UTC  

as a conservative, I don't agree

2019-12-06 06:24:49 UTC  

Milton Freeman the father of modern conservative economics talks about it extensively

2019-12-06 06:24:50 UTC  

of course not. Economists are in the business of making determinations against certainties or uncertainties, not guarantees

2019-12-06 06:25:10 UTC  

but make a case

2019-12-06 06:25:32 UTC  

The entire point of UBI is similar to what goes on in Alaska, rather than the money just going to the government it goes to the citizens

2019-12-06 06:25:45 UTC  

oh jesus fuck, the worst person in the country to bitch about chumming up with war criminals

2019-12-06 06:25:53 UTC  

great, now no one will care

2019-12-06 06:26:01 UTC  

thank you, you devil

2019-12-06 06:26:34 UTC  

Alaska does this with the oil companies up there, the governor basically said "well we have to tax them more, do you want the money or should it be turned over to the feds"

2019-12-06 06:26:46 UTC  

Alaskans presently get 2k a year from oil money

2019-12-06 06:27:12 UTC  

This would have to be more heavily considered as automation starts to do away with more and more jobs

2019-12-06 06:27:30 UTC  

wonder how Texas doesn't get that from its oil and gold infrastructure

2019-12-06 06:27:32 UTC  

Unarmed security, food service, trucking, clerical work and call center work etc.

2019-12-06 06:28:40 UTC  

Trucking is the most populated industry in the country and that industry is seeing the predawn glow of automation and will be largely automated for OTR operations, local jobs will still exist but thats up in the air with stores doing more direct deliveries from DCs

2019-12-06 06:29:21 UTC  

Food service would be laughably easy to automate and so would call centers and clerical jobs

2019-12-06 06:29:23 UTC  

Acounting

2019-12-06 06:29:25 UTC  

Etc.

2019-12-06 06:29:47 UTC  

As the digital era advances our service economy will disappear in favor of an information economy

2019-12-06 06:30:08 UTC  

I am somewhat insulated from this as a comp science major but not everyone can be one

2019-12-06 06:30:34 UTC  

So do we just let the feds scoop up all that money in corporate taxes or do we do what alaska did?

2019-12-06 06:30:52 UTC  

Yeah, dad being a software engineer doesn't hurt

2019-12-06 06:31:11 UTC  

Where the oil companies pay a dividend to the citizens rather than higher taxes

2019-12-06 06:31:27 UTC  

Okay, so first, so if the government is in such little need of taxes that they are actually giving tax money to the citizenry, why don't they just tax the citizens at 0% and make the companies pay for everything instead of UBI?

2019-12-06 06:31:31 UTC  

Of course current pricing models will completely collapse when wages are eliminated

2019-12-06 06:31:37 UTC  

maybe oil companies could directly subsidize gas prices

2019-12-06 06:31:55 UTC  

or is that too short a circuit

2019-12-06 06:33:00 UTC  

U are assuming that if a company CAN eliminate a job in place of automation, they will

2019-12-06 06:33:33 UTC  

Why did Ford begin paying his workers a higher wage?

2019-12-06 06:33:37 UTC  

If its a net financial benefit, yes