Message from @calman21

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2019-12-06 07:38:41 UTC  

That we REQUIRE businesses to use human labor

2019-12-06 07:38:57 UTC  

Sounds like authoritarianism to me

2019-12-06 07:39:01 UTC  

I am saying that it is in businesses's long term best interest to do so

2019-12-06 07:39:10 UTC  

But it isnt

2019-12-06 07:39:37 UTC  

I already posted my citations for this

2019-12-06 07:39:44 UTC  

So far you have nothing

2019-12-06 07:40:13 UTC  

Why would a call center not automate their positions?

2019-12-06 07:40:24 UTC  

A transportation company?

2019-12-06 07:40:49 UTC  

I have a new argument, Its not just about the money, its about the accountability humans have that robots do not have

2019-12-06 07:41:03 UTC  

Trucking would save 60 billion on wages alone

2019-12-06 07:41:11 UTC  

you cannot program conscious decision making that is as dynamic as a human's ability to do so

2019-12-06 07:41:18 UTC  

And more than double production

2019-12-06 07:41:34 UTC  

Yes you can

2019-12-06 07:41:44 UTC  

To an extent

2019-12-06 07:42:25 UTC  

What decisions could a low skill human make that an AI cant?

2019-12-06 07:42:53 UTC  

Hell in the 90s thry made a near impossible to beat AI for chess

2019-12-06 07:43:16 UTC  

I'm saying that if AI threatens humans and their quality of life then it should have restrictions imposed on it

2019-12-06 07:43:25 UTC  

^^^^^

2019-12-06 07:43:56 UTC  

we can make a moral decision about automation if it would negatively impact our quality of life or the way certain people live their lives

2019-12-06 07:44:09 UTC  

Because that AI could make decisiond based on calculating every possibility for the next thousand moves in an instant

2019-12-06 07:44:11 UTC  

I am switching arguments rn,

2019-12-06 07:44:24 UTC  

but I will get back to the chess argument

2019-12-06 07:44:35 UTC  

that only works because it is in a constrained ruleset which is chess

2019-12-06 07:44:45 UTC  

You dont have a right to force your subjective morality onto someone else

2019-12-06 07:44:47 UTC  

real life is infinitely more complicated than chess

2019-12-06 07:45:04 UTC  

You dont play much chess do you

2019-12-06 07:45:07 UTC  

AI has actually demonstrated creative ways of breaking rules and finding loop holes. They would be better than any human lawyer lol

2019-12-06 07:45:37 UTC  

are you really going to argue that real life IS NOT more complicated than chess?

2019-12-06 07:46:11 UTC  

Even with twal live being more complicated than chess that was an AI nearly impossible to beat in the 90s

2019-12-06 07:46:26 UTC  

Think about where cell phones were in the 90s vs now

2019-12-06 07:46:38 UTC  

Now apply that to AI

2019-12-06 07:47:03 UTC  

many would argue that those technological advancements are a huge cause of the problems humans are currently facing

2019-12-06 07:47:07 UTC  

now apply that to AI

2019-12-06 07:47:37 UTC  

Do their arguments have veracity?

2019-12-06 07:47:53 UTC  

Thats subjective

2019-12-06 07:48:56 UTC  

murder is subjective morality, you can abstract anything to the point where literally even reality itself is subjective

2019-12-06 07:49:00 UTC  

*looks at quantum physics*

2019-12-06 07:49:20 UTC  

that is not the point, a learning system can device wining outcomes based on the limited number of factors in chess, but the problem is, that requires a constrained simulated model, real life has so many different moving pieces and factors, that anyone modeling a simulated environment to make decisions within DOESN"T EVEN KNOW all the factors that would constitute a realistic IRL model from which the robot could make equivalent rationale decisions compared to that of humans

2019-12-06 07:51:05 UTC  

There are well over 121 million possible moves after the first three

2019-12-06 07:51:29 UTC  

Just after the first three

2019-12-06 07:51:30 UTC  

121 million possible outcomes