Message from @TeeTotaler

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2019-12-06 07:41:34 UTC  

Yes you can

2019-12-06 07:41:44 UTC  

To an extent

2019-12-06 07:42:25 UTC  

What decisions could a low skill human make that an AI cant?

2019-12-06 07:42:53 UTC  

Hell in the 90s thry made a near impossible to beat AI for chess

2019-12-06 07:43:16 UTC  

I'm saying that if AI threatens humans and their quality of life then it should have restrictions imposed on it

2019-12-06 07:43:25 UTC  

^^^^^

2019-12-06 07:43:56 UTC  

we can make a moral decision about automation if it would negatively impact our quality of life or the way certain people live their lives

2019-12-06 07:44:09 UTC  

Because that AI could make decisiond based on calculating every possibility for the next thousand moves in an instant

2019-12-06 07:44:11 UTC  

I am switching arguments rn,

2019-12-06 07:44:24 UTC  

but I will get back to the chess argument

2019-12-06 07:44:35 UTC  

that only works because it is in a constrained ruleset which is chess

2019-12-06 07:44:45 UTC  

You dont have a right to force your subjective morality onto someone else

2019-12-06 07:44:47 UTC  

real life is infinitely more complicated than chess

2019-12-06 07:45:04 UTC  

You dont play much chess do you

2019-12-06 07:45:07 UTC  

AI has actually demonstrated creative ways of breaking rules and finding loop holes. They would be better than any human lawyer lol

2019-12-06 07:45:37 UTC  

are you really going to argue that real life IS NOT more complicated than chess?

2019-12-06 07:46:11 UTC  

Even with twal live being more complicated than chess that was an AI nearly impossible to beat in the 90s

2019-12-06 07:46:26 UTC  

Think about where cell phones were in the 90s vs now

2019-12-06 07:46:38 UTC  

Now apply that to AI

2019-12-06 07:47:03 UTC  

many would argue that those technological advancements are a huge cause of the problems humans are currently facing

2019-12-06 07:47:07 UTC  

now apply that to AI

2019-12-06 07:47:37 UTC  

Do their arguments have veracity?

2019-12-06 07:47:53 UTC  

Thats subjective

2019-12-06 07:48:56 UTC  

murder is subjective morality, you can abstract anything to the point where literally even reality itself is subjective

2019-12-06 07:49:00 UTC  

*looks at quantum physics*

2019-12-06 07:49:20 UTC  

that is not the point, a learning system can device wining outcomes based on the limited number of factors in chess, but the problem is, that requires a constrained simulated model, real life has so many different moving pieces and factors, that anyone modeling a simulated environment to make decisions within DOESN"T EVEN KNOW all the factors that would constitute a realistic IRL model from which the robot could make equivalent rationale decisions compared to that of humans

2019-12-06 07:51:05 UTC  

There are well over 121 million possible moves after the first three

2019-12-06 07:51:29 UTC  

Just after the first three

2019-12-06 07:51:30 UTC  

121 million possible outcomes

2019-12-06 07:51:32 UTC  

not moves

2019-12-06 07:51:33 UTC  

case and point, nuclear reactors in nuclear powerplants need human operators because, while much of the systems are automated, humans are needed to dictate correct courses of actions in case of emergency

2019-12-06 07:52:11 UTC  

Nuclear reactor operators arent low skill

2019-12-06 07:52:14 UTC  

your chest board would be bigger than the size of north america if you had 121million moves you could make

2019-12-06 07:53:58 UTC  

you are right, but my point is that human delegation is what is valuable,

2019-12-06 07:54:13 UTC  

and something that is not able to be automated away

2019-12-06 07:54:23 UTC  

And there are fewer reactor personnel now than in the 80s because of automation

2019-12-06 07:54:41 UTC  

In nuclear reactors perhaps

2019-12-06 07:55:01 UTC  

I dont consider that to be equivilant to a fry cook

2019-12-06 07:55:21 UTC  

I don't think we should throw the entire human species in the garbage can just because AI has a fancy hyper-threaded 6 core CPU

2019-12-06 07:55:47 UTC  

You can reduce restraunt staff significantly with AI

2019-12-06 07:56:02 UTC  

AI isn't needed for a job like that, automation would suffice