Message from @J.R. BOB DOBBS

Discord ID: 652774500970266654


2019-12-07 07:29:44 UTC  

Not as a Voting Method

2019-12-07 07:29:47 UTC  

No, that's actually inaccurate. The founding father's understood the dangers of pure democracies, fearing the tyranny of the majority. That's why were a Democratic Republic.

2019-12-07 07:29:59 UTC  

It doesn't matter whether or not the founders favored it, the question is *is it a good idea*?

2019-12-07 07:30:03 UTC  

We're talking about electing a person

2019-12-07 07:30:12 UTC  

Not running a country

2019-12-07 07:30:21 UTC  

Ah, now I see your point.

2019-12-07 07:30:24 UTC  

Hell the founders didn;t even want everyone to vote

2019-12-07 07:30:25 UTC  

You look at mayors and district congressmen and senators

2019-12-07 07:30:33 UTC  

They're voted in with Direct Democracy

2019-12-07 07:30:49 UTC  

The idea was for Presidents to also be elected that way

2019-12-07 07:30:54 UTC  

They only wanted land lords, and bussissness owners to vote becuase they had skin in the game

2019-12-07 07:31:00 UTC  

At first

2019-12-07 07:31:06 UTC  

That was the Temporary Solution

2019-12-07 07:31:20 UTC  

Since the country was unstable after the Revolution

2019-12-07 07:31:36 UTC  

They wanted to smooth things out first before letting regular people Vote

2019-12-07 07:31:46 UTC  

Which didn't happen until Andrew Jackson

2019-12-07 07:31:48 UTC  

Direct democracy wouldn't be feasible in today's politics due to districting. Jefferson's manual of parliamentary practice explains his position on having elected representatives.

2019-12-07 07:32:09 UTC  

I personally wouldn't want Direct Democracy for Electing the president either, tbbh

2019-12-07 07:32:32 UTC  

No direct democracies

2019-12-07 07:32:43 UTC  

Besides, without the current system rust belt and central states would be marginalized out of existence. At best is taxation without representation - at worst it's a recipe for civil conflict.

2019-12-07 07:32:48 UTC  

I'm too afraid of the average person and their lack of knowledge to trust them.

2019-12-07 07:32:57 UTC  

@Inept Chronicler There is a difference between using Direct Democracy to Elect and using Direct Democracy as a System of Gov't

2019-12-07 07:33:31 UTC  

Like France, for instance, elects their Presidents through Direct Democracy but they're still a Congressional Republic run like the US

2019-12-07 07:33:54 UTC  

Yes their is because as a consequence all the cities control the power and deciede the elections

2019-12-07 07:34:04 UTC  

Fucking the rural areas

2019-12-07 07:34:14 UTC  

That's actually untrue; been debunked numerous times

2019-12-07 07:34:42 UTC  

But even then, that's why I personally wouldn't have the President be directly elected

2019-12-07 07:35:01 UTC  

I favour a Parliamentary System like the UK and India

2019-12-07 07:35:08 UTC  

oh fuck no

2019-12-07 07:35:20 UTC  

The US can already do that

2019-12-07 07:35:26 UTC  

Not that checks on power matter over time, as we have seen, I would think someone with unilateral military power would be the person you'd least want elected through direct election.

2019-12-07 07:35:29 UTC  

My friend has told me horror stories from when he lived there

2019-12-07 07:35:39 UTC  

It's not even bad

2019-12-07 07:35:53 UTC  

Take the Congressional Election that the US has, and just use that to elect your leader

2019-12-07 07:36:46 UTC  

Unlike the EC (which has a 90% Popular Victor to Electoral Victor), the US Congress has a 97% Success

2019-12-07 07:37:01 UTC  

What do you think about the idea that only net taxpayers should be allowed to vote?

2019-12-07 07:37:45 UTC  

Even if morally correct, I disavow any system that infringes on Constitutional Rights.

2019-12-07 07:37:59 UTC  

That being said, I'll fully endorse voter ID laws. It's 2019, not 1919. Everyone has an ID.

2019-12-07 07:38:20 UTC  

^The US Election would be divided like this

2019-12-07 07:38:59 UTC  

Basically, the Leader of the Party to Win the Most Seats in Congress becomes President