Message from @Mersenne

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2019-12-07 07:32:09 UTC  

I personally wouldn't want Direct Democracy for Electing the president either, tbbh

2019-12-07 07:32:32 UTC  

No direct democracies

2019-12-07 07:32:43 UTC  

Besides, without the current system rust belt and central states would be marginalized out of existence. At best is taxation without representation - at worst it's a recipe for civil conflict.

2019-12-07 07:32:48 UTC  

I'm too afraid of the average person and their lack of knowledge to trust them.

2019-12-07 07:32:57 UTC  

@Inept Chronicler There is a difference between using Direct Democracy to Elect and using Direct Democracy as a System of Gov't

2019-12-07 07:33:31 UTC  

Like France, for instance, elects their Presidents through Direct Democracy but they're still a Congressional Republic run like the US

2019-12-07 07:33:54 UTC  

Yes their is because as a consequence all the cities control the power and deciede the elections

2019-12-07 07:34:04 UTC  

Fucking the rural areas

2019-12-07 07:34:14 UTC  

That's actually untrue; been debunked numerous times

2019-12-07 07:34:42 UTC  

But even then, that's why I personally wouldn't have the President be directly elected

2019-12-07 07:35:01 UTC  

I favour a Parliamentary System like the UK and India

2019-12-07 07:35:08 UTC  

oh fuck no

2019-12-07 07:35:20 UTC  

The US can already do that

2019-12-07 07:35:26 UTC  

Not that checks on power matter over time, as we have seen, I would think someone with unilateral military power would be the person you'd least want elected through direct election.

2019-12-07 07:35:29 UTC  

My friend has told me horror stories from when he lived there

2019-12-07 07:35:39 UTC  

It's not even bad

2019-12-07 07:35:53 UTC  

Take the Congressional Election that the US has, and just use that to elect your leader

2019-12-07 07:36:46 UTC  

Unlike the EC (which has a 90% Popular Victor to Electoral Victor), the US Congress has a 97% Success

2019-12-07 07:37:01 UTC  

What do you think about the idea that only net taxpayers should be allowed to vote?

2019-12-07 07:37:45 UTC  

Even if morally correct, I disavow any system that infringes on Constitutional Rights.

2019-12-07 07:37:59 UTC  

That being said, I'll fully endorse voter ID laws. It's 2019, not 1919. Everyone has an ID.

2019-12-07 07:38:20 UTC  

^The US Election would be divided like this

2019-12-07 07:38:59 UTC  

Basically, the Leader of the Party to Win the Most Seats in Congress becomes President

2019-12-07 07:39:41 UTC  

"Even if morally correct, I disavow any system that infringes on Constitutional Rights." That's a weird position. Pragmatism?

2019-12-07 07:39:42 UTC  

@Inept Chronicler Pretty straightforward, eh?

2019-12-07 07:39:58 UTC  

Works nicely too

2019-12-07 07:40:26 UTC  

And it lets us vote Third Parties because those parties can now freely hold seats in Congress

2019-12-07 07:41:00 UTC  

Not a bad idea. Breaks the electoral college into districts instead of states, am I reading that correctly?

2019-12-07 07:41:15 UTC  

Yep

2019-12-07 07:41:22 UTC  

One District gets one Vote

2019-12-07 07:41:27 UTC  

It would increase representation which is good.

2019-12-07 07:41:29 UTC  

While only net taxpayers should have a say in elected officials, it breaks the idea of every US citizen having a constitutional right to vote for an elected official.

2019-12-07 07:41:45 UTC  

It's how the UK, Canada, Australia, India, NZ, and Japan do things

2019-12-07 07:41:54 UTC  

I don't really care about what is or is not currently law, just what works.

2019-12-07 07:41:55 UTC  

hmmm

2019-12-07 07:42:02 UTC  

And I'm against any proposal that represses representation. DC is a great example of taxation with representation.

2019-12-07 07:42:20 UTC  

If you're not paying taxes, you're not being taxed without representation.

2019-12-07 07:42:43 UTC  

It eliminates votes that press for more entitlement spending.

2019-12-07 07:43:00 UTC  

True. But people need to climb the social-economic ladder to attain the position of net taxpayer.

2019-12-07 07:43:01 UTC  

AKA those with skin in the game get to vote.