Message from @Inept Chronicler

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2019-12-07 07:21:50 UTC  

Ye

2019-12-07 07:22:40 UTC  

Funny enough, the US had a Progressive Party once

2019-12-07 07:22:59 UTC  

Made by the Father of Progressivism, himself, Teddy Roosevelt

2019-12-07 07:23:15 UTC  

It was actually the most successful Third Party in US History

2019-12-07 07:24:02 UTC  

Unfortunately, he split the Vote with Taft and gave Woodrow Wilson a Landslide Victory

2019-12-07 07:27:43 UTC  

Those numbers have *slightly* shifted

2019-12-07 07:28:12 UTC  

Don't worry. I'm sure we'll hear about how the Electoral College *desperately needs reform* once Trump's re-elected.

2019-12-07 07:28:39 UTC  

The Electoral College was always meant to be Temporary

2019-12-07 07:28:54 UTC  

In Fact, the Founders intended it to be replaced with Direct Democracy

2019-12-07 07:29:11 UTC  

No they fucken didn't

2019-12-07 07:29:22 UTC  

But the EC Favoured Land Owners and no way Land Owners were gonna share the vote with the Peasants

2019-12-07 07:29:25 UTC  

The founders hated direct democracies

2019-12-07 07:29:40 UTC  

They hated Direct Democracy as a System of Gov't

2019-12-07 07:29:44 UTC  

Not as a Voting Method

2019-12-07 07:29:47 UTC  

No, that's actually inaccurate. The founding father's understood the dangers of pure democracies, fearing the tyranny of the majority. That's why were a Democratic Republic.

2019-12-07 07:29:59 UTC  

It doesn't matter whether or not the founders favored it, the question is *is it a good idea*?

2019-12-07 07:30:03 UTC  

We're talking about electing a person

2019-12-07 07:30:12 UTC  

Not running a country

2019-12-07 07:30:21 UTC  

Ah, now I see your point.

2019-12-07 07:30:24 UTC  

Hell the founders didn;t even want everyone to vote

2019-12-07 07:30:25 UTC  

You look at mayors and district congressmen and senators

2019-12-07 07:30:33 UTC  

They're voted in with Direct Democracy

2019-12-07 07:30:49 UTC  

The idea was for Presidents to also be elected that way

2019-12-07 07:30:54 UTC  

They only wanted land lords, and bussissness owners to vote becuase they had skin in the game

2019-12-07 07:31:00 UTC  

At first

2019-12-07 07:31:06 UTC  

That was the Temporary Solution

2019-12-07 07:31:20 UTC  

Since the country was unstable after the Revolution

2019-12-07 07:31:36 UTC  

They wanted to smooth things out first before letting regular people Vote

2019-12-07 07:31:46 UTC  

Which didn't happen until Andrew Jackson

2019-12-07 07:31:48 UTC  

Direct democracy wouldn't be feasible in today's politics due to districting. Jefferson's manual of parliamentary practice explains his position on having elected representatives.

2019-12-07 07:32:09 UTC  

I personally wouldn't want Direct Democracy for Electing the president either, tbbh

2019-12-07 07:32:32 UTC  

No direct democracies

2019-12-07 07:32:43 UTC  

Besides, without the current system rust belt and central states would be marginalized out of existence. At best is taxation without representation - at worst it's a recipe for civil conflict.

2019-12-07 07:32:48 UTC  

I'm too afraid of the average person and their lack of knowledge to trust them.

2019-12-07 07:32:57 UTC  

@Inept Chronicler There is a difference between using Direct Democracy to Elect and using Direct Democracy as a System of Gov't

2019-12-07 07:33:31 UTC  

Like France, for instance, elects their Presidents through Direct Democracy but they're still a Congressional Republic run like the US

2019-12-07 07:33:54 UTC  

Yes their is because as a consequence all the cities control the power and deciede the elections

2019-12-07 07:34:04 UTC  

Fucking the rural areas

2019-12-07 07:34:14 UTC  

That's actually untrue; been debunked numerous times

2019-12-07 07:34:42 UTC  

But even then, that's why I personally wouldn't have the President be directly elected