Message from @Mersenne

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2019-12-07 07:19:11 UTC  

Likely a progressive party

2019-12-07 07:19:14 UTC  

Now, the Dems are basically like the Old Whigs rn. They have no ideology. They have people all over the place; many centrist, conservative, libertarian, progressive, neo-con, and neo-lib Demograts

2019-12-07 07:19:36 UTC  

They're only allied on "Orange Man Bad"

2019-12-07 07:19:46 UTC  

Just like the Old Whig Party, lol

2019-12-07 07:19:51 UTC  

True. But you have to take loyalism into account

2019-12-07 07:20:01 UTC  

In 2016, many Bernie voters refused to vote for Hillary

2019-12-07 07:20:07 UTC  

Yeah

2019-12-07 07:20:17 UTC  

In 2020, the same will happen with Bernie and Warren loyalists.

2019-12-07 07:20:36 UTC  

It's going to be a landslide election.

2019-12-07 07:20:47 UTC  

I can see Bernie winning and Warren barely winning

2019-12-07 07:20:58 UTC  

It's just a game of who can win the Rust Belt

2019-12-07 07:21:04 UTC  

And I can't see the DNC humbling themselves enough to select either of them.

2019-12-07 07:21:10 UTC  

And Bernie has that in the Bag but Warren...not so much

2019-12-07 07:21:25 UTC  

Biden's going to lose the rustbelt, hard.

2019-12-07 07:21:50 UTC  

Ye

2019-12-07 07:22:40 UTC  

Funny enough, the US had a Progressive Party once

2019-12-07 07:22:59 UTC  

Made by the Father of Progressivism, himself, Teddy Roosevelt

2019-12-07 07:23:15 UTC  

It was actually the most successful Third Party in US History

2019-12-07 07:24:02 UTC  

Unfortunately, he split the Vote with Taft and gave Woodrow Wilson a Landslide Victory

2019-12-07 07:27:43 UTC  

Those numbers have *slightly* shifted

2019-12-07 07:28:12 UTC  

Don't worry. I'm sure we'll hear about how the Electoral College *desperately needs reform* once Trump's re-elected.

2019-12-07 07:28:39 UTC  

The Electoral College was always meant to be Temporary

2019-12-07 07:28:54 UTC  

In Fact, the Founders intended it to be replaced with Direct Democracy

2019-12-07 07:29:11 UTC  

No they fucken didn't

2019-12-07 07:29:22 UTC  

But the EC Favoured Land Owners and no way Land Owners were gonna share the vote with the Peasants

2019-12-07 07:29:25 UTC  

The founders hated direct democracies

2019-12-07 07:29:40 UTC  

They hated Direct Democracy as a System of Gov't

2019-12-07 07:29:44 UTC  

Not as a Voting Method

2019-12-07 07:29:47 UTC  

No, that's actually inaccurate. The founding father's understood the dangers of pure democracies, fearing the tyranny of the majority. That's why were a Democratic Republic.

2019-12-07 07:29:59 UTC  

It doesn't matter whether or not the founders favored it, the question is *is it a good idea*?

2019-12-07 07:30:03 UTC  

We're talking about electing a person

2019-12-07 07:30:12 UTC  

Not running a country

2019-12-07 07:30:21 UTC  

Ah, now I see your point.

2019-12-07 07:30:24 UTC  

Hell the founders didn;t even want everyone to vote

2019-12-07 07:30:25 UTC  

You look at mayors and district congressmen and senators

2019-12-07 07:30:33 UTC  

They're voted in with Direct Democracy

2019-12-07 07:30:49 UTC  

The idea was for Presidents to also be elected that way

2019-12-07 07:30:54 UTC  

They only wanted land lords, and bussissness owners to vote becuase they had skin in the game

2019-12-07 07:31:00 UTC  

At first

2019-12-07 07:31:06 UTC  

That was the Temporary Solution