Message from @Mersenne
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Not even touching the radioactive clusterfuck that is the Green New Deal
Democrats and Republicans are virtually the same Party Atm; just appealing to different Demographics
Woah, definitely not
Democrats are Centrist Republicans, basically
That is the essence of the Two Party System in most countries
Absolutely not. That may have been true 10 years ago, definitely not today.
Correction: The Establishment Democrats and the General Republican Party
Ok, that's fair
The Democrats are a seriously fractioned party at the moment. From the AOC crowd, to progressives, to establishment.
Rn the Dems are like the Old Whig Party. They have no real identity and are just allied on a hatred for the other Party's Leader
Ah, the negative partisanship approach.
That works in small doses, typically right before an election.
However, starting the debates 6+ months earlier than 2016 was a mistake. Candidate's lose their luster.
And Democrats have been pushing negative partisanship for the past 2 years. Russia Investigation, Collusion Narrative, Impeachment, etc
This will backfire. If Impeachment goes to the Senate, it will be worse.
Back in the 1830s, the Dems elected a guy named Andrew Jackson (who was a complete Lunatic). He was such a controversial President that a new Party was formed called the "Whig Party", which was a party full of people who were ideologically all over the place but united by their hatred for Andrew Jackson (they actually managed to get 4 presidents elected too)
The problem is Trump has widespread support. His fundraising alone demonstrates Americans do not wish to have another establishment candidate.
*Many Whig members eventually branched off to form a new Party called the "Free Soil Party" (a One-Issue party on the topic of Abolitionism), which eventually became the Republican Party, electing their own President named Abraham Lincoln in 1860*
Quite honestly, you may see a departure from the Democratic party once Trump's re-elected.
Which would shake up politics, as the establishment with a failed Mueller investigation and impeachment will demonstrate complete incompetence in the eyes of Americans.
Now, the Dems are basically like the Old Whigs rn. They have no ideology. They have people all over the place; many centrist, conservative, libertarian, progressive, neo-con, and neo-lib Demograts
They're only allied on "Orange Man Bad"
Just like the Old Whig Party, lol
True. But you have to take loyalism into account
In 2016, many Bernie voters refused to vote for Hillary
Yeah
In 2020, the same will happen with Bernie and Warren loyalists.
It's going to be a landslide election.
I can see Bernie winning and Warren barely winning
It's just a game of who can win the Rust Belt
And I can't see the DNC humbling themselves enough to select either of them.
And Bernie has that in the Bag but Warren...not so much
Biden's going to lose the rustbelt, hard.
Ye
Funny enough, the US had a Progressive Party once
Made by the Father of Progressivism, himself, Teddy Roosevelt
It was actually the most successful Third Party in US History
Unfortunately, he split the Vote with Taft and gave Woodrow Wilson a Landslide Victory
Those numbers have *slightly* shifted