Message from @The Supreme Xtream

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2019-12-07 07:51:13 UTC  

*economics*

2019-12-07 07:51:31 UTC  

You can't get everything you want, there's only bad and worse.

2019-12-07 07:51:45 UTC  

You're referring to a system similar to the organ donor list - which has demonstrated fatal consequences.

2019-12-07 07:52:20 UTC  

I refuse to allow the govt - an agency that have demonstrated countless failures in basic financial management - to have oversight on the quality and availability of my healthcare.

2019-12-07 07:52:55 UTC  

The quality of services would plummet. 2 Millions private healthcare jobs lost. Suddenly the budget can't keep up with demand as it's not an established system.

2019-12-07 07:53:16 UTC  

There's a reason M4A is rejected by the majority of Americans. We do not need an American NHS.

2019-12-07 07:54:39 UTC  

It's same old, same old. Government subsidizes and alters the market to the point where conditions become insufferable and they offer a government solution which makes the problem worse.

2019-12-07 07:54:47 UTC  

Because *people will never understand economics*

2019-12-07 07:56:07 UTC  

guy ran off

2019-12-07 07:56:15 UTC  

guess we can start jerking each other off now

2019-12-07 11:27:11 UTC  

In socialized healthcare you get the worst of prices, quality and quantity

2019-12-07 11:30:47 UTC  

Zero competition and government oversight breeds nothing but incompetence, corruption and a never ending black hole of waste.

2019-12-07 12:20:19 UTC  

the doctors here try to push you out the door as soon as possible, they claim the same $$ from the government either way, they don't seem to have any real interest in the health of the patient

2019-12-07 12:22:55 UTC  

You must be in Australia

2019-12-07 12:47:35 UTC  

That is untrue

2019-12-07 12:47:48 UTC  

You're literally only looking at the NHS

2019-12-07 12:47:55 UTC  

There are other systems too

2019-12-07 12:49:03 UTC  

Such as the French/German System (regarded as the Best in the World) in which Private Health Care Companies still exist but the way you pay for said insurance is with Taxes

2019-12-07 12:49:26 UTC  

Multi/Single-Payer Systems are Objectively better than the Private System

2019-12-07 12:50:02 UTC  

You really think the Private Oligopoly Competes in the US? There's like 12 Health Care Companies and they're all in the same Big Club

2019-12-07 12:50:28 UTC  

As a result, Health Care costs in the US are the HIGHEST in the Entire World (let alone the Developed World)

2019-12-07 12:52:15 UTC  

There are some things that just should be off the Table from the Private Sector; ya wouldn't want to have Private Policemen or Firefighters, now would you?

2019-12-07 12:59:06 UTC  

"Help! My House is Burning Down!"
"That'll be $30,000"
"I c-can't afford that"
"Welp, pack up boys. There's nothing we can do ab it now"

2019-12-07 12:59:24 UTC  

i'm surprised that state run healthcare services in liberal countries run as well as they do considering there's usually a party who tries to undermine them whenever they get in government

2019-12-07 13:01:01 UTC  

@Death in June Because things like Universal Health Care are something everyone benefits off of; extremely popular services, to the people. Thus, if the Right Winged Party even tries touching the Health Care System, it's seen as Political Suicide

2019-12-07 13:02:24 UTC  

well sure but at the same time they try to undermine it indirectly

2019-12-07 13:02:44 UTC  

obviously they can't come out and say "we're gonna get rid of it" but they try to sabotage it to hurt its popularity

2019-12-07 13:03:26 UTC  

I would like to point out that European systems are subsidized directly from the United States.

2019-12-07 13:03:57 UTC  

sure but european countries achieve better results while spending less

2019-12-07 13:03:58 UTC  

Only exception are the Tories in the UK who, under Tony Blair and David Cameron, literally raped the NHS to death, taking it from the #1 in the World to lower than the US' Health Care System; but the only reason the Tories didn't end up killing their party with that is bc people just hate Corbyn and the Labour Party a fuck ton more

2019-12-07 13:04:08 UTC  

We Supply most of the research and development for medical equipment and studies, we also subsidize EU's defense so they don't have to pay for it and in turn can fund large socialized Healthcare programs

2019-12-07 13:04:08 UTC  

Times are so divisive, at this point

2019-12-07 13:04:10 UTC  

france spends less than half of what the us does per capita on healthcare

2019-12-07 13:04:13 UTC  

but gets better results

2019-12-07 13:04:17 UTC  

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

2019-12-07 13:04:37 UTC  

@FitnessByHeatherHeyer That has more to do with Institutions rather than Insurance

2019-12-07 13:05:13 UTC  

i mean to be fair there are additional complications that exist in the us since it's a very racially diverse country but i doubt that alone explains even a significant portion of the gap

2019-12-07 13:05:34 UTC  

The U.S. is also extremely obese

2019-12-07 13:05:48 UTC  

Our lifestyles are not nearly as healthy as European countries on a whole

2019-12-07 13:05:56 UTC  

Apples to Oranges

2019-12-07 13:06:30 UTC  

The French are also taxed as an exorbitant trade, as of the Germans, no thank you. We're taxed enough over here