No, a fire department is not socialist when you can own your own.

Putting price caps on products and services won't work where there is private ownership of those things.

Fire departments are a social institution. But they're not socialist

Right

socialism is couched in the idea of central planning. local fire departments run locally is the opposite of central planning.

Oh yeah, they're about as decentralized as you can get

Right. They may be regulated, but that doesn't make them socialist.

People like Bernie point at some European countries and says "see, SOCIALISM works" No, those are capitalist countries where they tax the fuck out of people and subsidize services.

*And look where that's got them. Cost of living is high beyond belief*

In those countries, you can see a private doctor or surgeon.

After paying 50% income tax and VAT on top of that

This fuzziness about what socialism is is why so many Americans are in favor of it.

VAT is bullshit, it only kind of makes sense in a duty free where it's technically becoming an import/export

To be fair most Americans are pretty stupid

And selfish

Most of us voted Trump

Don't forget the other key aspects of those European Countries: Populations and Homogeny

We are raised that way. Capitalism has some downsides.

Alright lemme rephrase that, most that are in favor of socialism are stupid and selfish

Much more accurate

Well yeah, they want to take other people's stuff.

Like this Warren horseshit about taxing someone's assets

I used to not like Trump, though as seeing the literal effects he's been causing to the establishment I'm in favor of him despite how crude he can be

Socialism in a nutshell
"I want that, this is mine now"

^^^

Why not kick in their front door and start taking stuff

It'd be more honest

Cause they run giant corps that bank off their image

@randomNPCno3. It leads to that, yes.

So they need to look good while being corrupt shitholes

A socialist health Care system like Bernie envisions it is that no one is favored. If you are waiting in line for a heart operation, you stay in line. No fair going to a private surgeon and saving your life. THATS what socialism is about, not really just about free shit. Free shit is the lure.

A system that'll also bankrupt the country not the mention

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/295826901132509186/652900038103793704/9wsm.jpg

right @Aldomuz warren is flat out lying about how she can fund her medicare for all program. She says she'll tax the billionaires and corporations only. Horseshit. Her plan will cast at least 5 trillion a year. the combined wealth of all USA billionaires is 3.6 trillion. Even if she seized every asset they had she couldn't fund her plan for a year (plus, millions would not have jobs that those billionaires provide). Her plan to tax the fuck out of corporations is stupid because they'll just add in those taxes as COST and all products and services will go up in price.

i want to see her get the nomination because Trump will hand her ass to her with some basic math and a few charts.

She dropped out of the race due to a lack of funding, wonder why that was *hmmmm*

The wealthy will flee the US, the corporations will raise all of their prices in lockstep

That dumbass AOC said she could fund her New Green Deal just by printing the money. That's more money than exists on the entire planet, all economies combined. It would take a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread after she printed that money.

"just print money" sums up the average socialists understanding of economics just fine

Being that they don't have one

what blew me away is not one person in the audience yelled "venezuela, that's how you get venezuela!"