Message from @SuperHeroDeluxe
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Corruption is literally Legal
obamacare seems like the worst of both worlds in some respects
The SCOTUS has affirmed this for over a century now
@Death in June Well, Obamacare was the Originally the GOP's Health Care Plan that Obama Stole
RomneyCare
Made by Mitt Romney
And the Wikileaks have shown that Romney was paid by the Insurance Companies to give them this plan since it would benefit them
The US is functionally an Oligarchy; what we'd call a Corporatocracy; a System of Gov't in which the Big Corporations control the State
This is actually an Argument I often use against Socialists who try blaming America's problems on Capitalism
The United States ain't a Capitalist Country, it's actually a Socialist Country...one of the Most Socialist Countries in the World; the difference is that differentiates the US from other Socialist Countries and makes em appear to be Capitalist is that all of that Socialism is for the Rich; Corporate Welfare; what we would call "Corporatist"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9gwYMGDr4 Timcast: "Socialists and Far Leftists OUTRAGED After I Called Them Lazy And Stupid, Too Bad I'M RIGHT"
When major industries are owned and controlled by the state then you know socialism is in place. That's kind of how it works.
Socialism isn't just taxing people and spreading money around.
Are you including natural Monopolies like utilities?
If no competition is allowed, yes
Because those are usually state owned
If you can build a wind farm and sell that electricity, then no
You can sell it to the government
Yeah, although realistically you'd want to sell to the government or you'd have allot of surplus electricity unless you invested enough in storage
Or, sell it to another, larger private utility company
Possibly
A big issue I see here is that a lot of people are a bit fuzzy about what a socialist system is. This is in part due to propaganda by socialists who say YOU ALREADY HAVE SOCIALISM, JUST THROW MORE (other people's) MONEY AT IT.
No, a fire department is not socialist when you can own your own.
Putting price caps on products and services won't work where there is private ownership of those things.
Fire departments are a social institution. But they're not socialist
Right
socialism is couched in the idea of central planning. local fire departments run locally is the opposite of central planning.
Oh yeah, they're about as decentralized as you can get
Right. They may be regulated, but that doesn't make them socialist.
People like Bernie point at some European countries and says "see, SOCIALISM works" No, those are capitalist countries where they tax the fuck out of people and subsidize services.
*And look where that's got them. Cost of living is high beyond belief*
In those countries, you can see a private doctor or surgeon.
After paying 50% income tax and VAT on top of that
This fuzziness about what socialism is is why so many Americans are in favor of it.
VAT is bullshit, it only kind of makes sense in a duty free where it's technically becoming an import/export
To be fair most Americans are pretty stupid
And selfish
Most of us voted Trump