shit which they could have just....y'know, refused, since it's servers on their end, not on the American's end

he held back aid to them to get dirt on joe biden... why else would he mention joe biden 4 times in a call with the president of Ukraine

Citation needed

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/764052120/read-transcript-of-president-trumps-call-with-ukraine-s-leader
There seems to be TWO mentions of Biden in the transcript, not four

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/read-transcript-trumps-call-ukraine-president/story?id=65849015
ABC's seemingly official transcript seems to only show a single mention of Biden

semantics

he shouldnt have been mentioned at all

Why not?

It's some shady shit that the Bidens are doing

on Ukrainian servers
Which the Ukrainians CAN refuse, you know that, right?

http://archive.is/O8vpm

I still have yet to receive a citation on the revocation of aid

@Smirk Supreme Inshallah

lmao do you watch the proceedings?

Can we be 100% sure that Trump revoking aid (that's IF he did) isn't due to some sort of ties to Russia he's trying to mend?

@PurpleToad Cite an article. I don't watch TV.

**Dont watch the live impeachment hearings and witness testimonies**

lmao

Here’s the problem- if Biden is guilty of corruption, and there’s *alot* of evidence to suggest that, it’s a weak argument to go after Trump for asking about it.

"Hurr durr watch TV"

If the crux of this is Trump asking to investigate a political rival - disprove the accusation first before declaring impeachment.

@PurpleToad Cite a source, buddy

@Tiberius the only reason why the debt rose so much under the obama administration is because he came into office during a recession

during the latter part of his term the deficit was kept quite low

republican administrations in general run bigger deficits than democratic ones

same holds true for trump now

now i don't think that's bad per se

the united states has to run deficits

just a sec

as for the economic recovery that's hard to ascertain how much of it was a result of policy, i think the 2008 recession was the strongest since the great depression but again i suppose it's hard to determine how much of that is a result of policy

To an extent we do, to imply that Trump's deficit even comes close to Obamas is patently ridiculous.

well it's bigger

Our current deficit is not 1.2 trillion annually, and that didn't change much throughout the Obama administration,

when you look at the latter part of the obama admin

`Finally, we consider whether impeachment “nullifies” the last election or denies voters their voice in the next one`
Ah, this seems to prove that the Ukraine shit is just an extension of the Russia shit in the regards that it's desperate thrashing from Democrats who want to seriously believe that Trump could have only won with outside help.

It’s fair to point out that Obama came in on a recession in 2007 escalated by the housing market bubble. That resulted from Wall Street selling subsidized loans en mass before an inevitable crash in 2009.

It had this year because we've increased military spending

and i mean if we're comparing dems to republicans at least it would be worth pointing out that clinton probably bears a lot of responsibility for the 2007 recession

No, the recession is not a valid excuse, his policies created the slowest recovery since world war II

We've had a few recessions between then and now

It’s a stretch to accuse Clinton, he actually *paid off* the national deficit during his tenure.